Tall Bloke

As the * Rules state any loung displaying the "Star Gold Logo" if this logo is removed from all the lounges we wouldn't be allowed in at all !!

The additional * Rules allow us lounge access when flying international business or international first.

UA are quite within their rights to "withdraw" the Gold logo from the lounges

ajamieson

Very true. An alarming prospect.

euslaner

This isn't quite so new. Flying through Denver, first as a 1P and then as a 1K, I found my status and my *A Gold card worthless at the RCC, where I was several times politely shown the door (even on an F ticket). The "kind" folks at the RCC told me that this was a policy of many years. If it had happened once, that would be one thing. It happened on at least two occasions.

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Hagbard Viking

I know there are a few examples of lounges that are not open to *G (e.g., SIN), but are there any non-UA examples of airports where a * carrier operates one or more lounges and neither of them are open to *G?

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Hagbard Viking

That's being said quite often on this board, but, does someone know how it really works? I can't remember any RCC ever making a note of my SK*G card number. How do they get paid?

Cloud Lounger

I recall seeing a touch screen at the RCC in DEN where the agent recorded my visit by touching the AC icon for my visit. Some SK lounges swipe the card to read the magnetic strip and in ARN, you swipe your own card and go through a turnstile. I guess the individual membership number does not matter for UA

Al B

I'm not sure I follow the question, although I think you are asking what non-UA carriers have a lounge at a port, but it's not designated as a *G lounge, thereby allowing access only to their members or allowed guests as per ticket fare entry qualifications ??
If so, there are hundreds of them. The *G's are very much in the minority of lounges operated by the * carriers.
Small sample - at AMS of BD LH OS SK SQ and UA operating there, only the BD and SQ lounges are designated *G. In FRA only LH and UA show as *G lounges, with AC NH OS SK SQ TG and RG not showing designated *G lounges. One of the largest ports with no *G lounge at all that I can think of, off the top of my head, is in Rome - none of AC OS LH SK SQ TG or RG have a *G designated lounge operating.
The designated *G lounges are few and far between considering the amount of non *G lounges there are.

Am sure you'll correct me if I've misinterpreted the question !!!

FWIW, here is a list (admittedly from a "major * cities list, so cities like LAS don't appear) of UA *NON designated* *G designated lounges in the mainland USA -
Detroit, Houston (Bush)
List of *G designated UA operated lounges in the mainland USA (from the same "major cities" list) -
Altanta, BWI, Chicago O'Hare, Cleveland, DFW, Denver, Indianapolis, LAX, Miami, MSP, all 3 New York, Orlando, Philly, Phoenix, Portland Or, San Diego, SNA (!!!), Sea-Tac, and both IAD and DCA.
Obviously, there are some anomolies in there - why would ATL, DFW, MSP & SAN as 4 small examples be *G designated, not to even think about SNA of all places ?? They could easily remove the *G designation from these sort of ports and still keep the ones in the international hubs and major major cities.

Cheers.

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Mr.Staralliance

Shouldnt *A step in and ruffle some people up regarding this change. I know in New Zealand, all *Golds are welcome to the Kuru Club, ah that word again Club! Red Carpet Club get over it, your just a lounge!

Dave

Hagbard Viking

Close... What I was asking was are there (non-UA) examples of airports where a * carrier is operating one or more lounges (note, operating the lounge(s) (as opposed to contracting lounges), not just operating flights into the airport) where none of the lounges are designated as *G?

Until recently, my understanding was that the Star Alliance carriers offered lounge access to each other's *G members at least at the airports where they are operating their own lounges. Now, it seems like at least UA does not anymore...

BrisbanePE

Noone is disputing that the change is within their rights.

Fortunately, they are not "withdrawing the Gold Logo" - which I guess would be tantamount to declaring they are not part of *A - but are choosing to only be a *G lounge for international travel purposes. (I wonder if they well be amending the signs?)

If all the *A airlines followed suit it would greatly diminish the value of being a *G. Hence I see it as a very poor move on UA/RCC's part and one that reflects very badly on them. I hope there is an overseeing body within *A that can tell UA/RCC to get their act together.

BrisbanePE

What's new is that this now applies to other FFP *G members, not just UA's own 1Ks and 1Ps.

Rudi

I did write my local LH management in Zürich about this and expect an answer this week. By telephone I was promised today a (1st) answer in a week's time - they (LH Zürich) didn't know about such a UA RCC policy change.

Scott218

I'm sure there are a lot more UA *G members than the other *A airlines.

If UA starts to shut *G holders out of RCC domestically and the other airlines do the same, UA *G members will suffer the most (through the breath of lounges around the world).

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On a separate note, AC flies to Rome but does not have a lounge there. In a lot of places where they are not *A major or mini hubs, they contract lounges (hence, no *G logo). Rome might be one of those cities.

zvezda

I would not be terribly surprised if there were more UA *G than all other *A carriers combined.

travelinmanS

While UA may have the highest number of Star Golds I'd be willing to wager that UA doesn't have the highest number of star golds who actually are able to utilize the benifits because they travel internationaly. I think that LH, SQ, and maybe NH have more star golds who actually travel internationally....mostly due to the fact that lots of US people don't travel internationally all that often...while any trip a SQ customer makes will be internaional!!