No UA credit for LH flight operated by BD
May 29, 2001, 12:30 pm
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No UA credit for LH flight operated by BD
What a bizarre world I live in. I was flying LHR-MAD a couple of months ago and was flying on a LH ticket but the flight was actually BD....both of them are Star Alliance partners.
Weird thing is that UA says they're not sure I will get MP credit for the flight (or towards MP status for that matter) since it was a code share.
What the heck is this?? Both airlines are Star Alliance partners!! *A is getting the revenue, no matter if it was a codeshare or not!
Anybody with similar experiences?
Weird thing is that UA says they're not sure I will get MP credit for the flight (or towards MP status for that matter) since it was a code share.
What the heck is this?? Both airlines are Star Alliance partners!! *A is getting the revenue, no matter if it was a codeshare or not!
Anybody with similar experiences?
May 30, 2001, 8:16 am
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I've flown STN-HAM return on a Lufthansa flight number, on a flight operated by British Midland, and points credited to my UA account automatically within 2 days. (Under Lufthansa rules - I got the 500 mile min for a Lufthansa flight, rather than the 250 miles for a BD 'leisure' flight)
(This may not have been an official code share though - I think Lufthansa were the 'real' flight number, and BD had the codeshare, as I think the plane was effectively chartered to Lufthansa by British Midland Commuter....)
[This message has been edited by Conrad (edited 05-30-2001).]
(This may not have been an official code share though - I think Lufthansa were the 'real' flight number, and BD had the codeshare, as I think the plane was effectively chartered to Lufthansa by British Midland Commuter....)
[This message has been edited by Conrad (edited 05-30-2001).]
Jun 7, 2001, 11:20 am
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The powers that be at MP refuse to give me credit for this flight.
LHR-MAD
Ticket was for LH 6945
Actual flight was BD 481
Class of service was C-class
This is annoying since both the codeshare airline and actual airline are star alliance partners, so the revenue is in the family. It's not like I was flying on some Aer Lingus ticket or something like that....it was a United/Lufthansa itinerary.
whatever...
LHR-MAD
Ticket was for LH 6945
Actual flight was BD 481
Class of service was C-class
This is annoying since both the codeshare airline and actual airline are star alliance partners, so the revenue is in the family. It's not like I was flying on some Aer Lingus ticket or something like that....it was a United/Lufthansa itinerary.
whatever...
Jun 7, 2001, 12:28 pm
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That's bizarre as there is nothing in the member guide about such a thing for Star Alliance airlines (there is a statement about some codeshares being excluded for other partner airlines). The rules do differ from airline to airline though and some Star carriers are very clear about the rules.
Air Canada is very clear on LH flights: "Not eligible: charter flights and code-share flights operated by any Lufthansa code-share partner other than Star Alliance airlines."
and for BD flights "Not eligible: charter flights and code-share flights operated by any British Midland code-share partner other than Air Canada."
Air Canada is very clear on LH flights: "Not eligible: charter flights and code-share flights operated by any Lufthansa code-share partner other than Star Alliance airlines."
and for BD flights "Not eligible: charter flights and code-share flights operated by any British Midland code-share partner other than Air Canada."
Jun 7, 2001, 12:33 pm
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This is crazy. You should get credit after writing to United.
Jun 8, 2001, 2:16 pm
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I often fly with LH tickets on BD metal to Brussels or Munich from London. No problems with getting credit with Air Canada. I am not sure why UA would be any different.
I am however waiting on credit for a Contact Air (team lufthansa) flight with a LH number for a flight from Bologna to Munich. Its a codeshare with a non-* alliance airline so I am not expecting credit.
juanvaldez - what is a Taco Bell Platinum?
[This message has been edited by davistev (edited 06-08-2001).]
I am however waiting on credit for a Contact Air (team lufthansa) flight with a LH number for a flight from Bologna to Munich. Its a codeshare with a non-* alliance airline so I am not expecting credit.
juanvaldez - what is a Taco Bell Platinum?
[This message has been edited by davistev (edited 06-08-2001).]
Jun 9, 2001, 6:35 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">Originally posted by davistev:
I am however waiting on credit for a Contact Air (team lufthansa) flight with a LH number for a flight from Bologna to Munich. Its a codeshare with a non-* alliance airline so I am not expecting credit.
[This message has been edited by davistev (edited 06-08-2001).]</font>
I am however waiting on credit for a Contact Air (team lufthansa) flight with a LH number for a flight from Bologna to Munich. Its a codeshare with a non-* alliance airline so I am not expecting credit.
[This message has been edited by davistev (edited 06-08-2001).]</font>
I remember flying on UA metal a couple of years back between Washington and Frankfurt I think it was. I had a an LH ticket and was flying on a LH flight number. I didn't get the miles for the same reason as the original poster.
I would love to know what the rationale is behind that rule. I just cannot figure it out.
Jun 11, 2001, 11:00 am
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I suspect these things might happen because either:
1) The codeshare number is some discount seat that the partner airline bought.
2) The two carriers compete in the same market. I know that the OneWorld alliance has some funny rule stating that you cannot earn AA miles if you fly on BA flights from the US to UK if AA flies the same route.
1) The codeshare number is some discount seat that the partner airline bought.
2) The two carriers compete in the same market. I know that the OneWorld alliance has some funny rule stating that you cannot earn AA miles if you fly on BA flights from the US to UK if AA flies the same route.
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">Originally posted by Snoopy:
I remember flying on UA metal a couple of years back between Washington and Frankfurt I think it was. I had a an LH ticket and was flying on a LH flight number. I didn't get the miles for the same reason as the original poster.
I would love to know what the rationale is behind that rule. I just cannot figure it out.</font>
I remember flying on UA metal a couple of years back between Washington and Frankfurt I think it was. I had a an LH ticket and was flying on a LH flight number. I didn't get the miles for the same reason as the original poster.
I would love to know what the rationale is behind that rule. I just cannot figure it out.</font>
Jun 11, 2001, 8:37 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">Originally posted by juanvaldez:
I suspect these things might happen because either:
1) The codeshare number is some discount seat that the partner airline bought.
2) The two carriers compete in the same market. I know that the OneWorld alliance has some funny rule stating that you cannot earn AA miles if you fly on BA flights from the US to UK if AA flies the same route.
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I suspect these things might happen because either:
1) The codeshare number is some discount seat that the partner airline bought.
2) The two carriers compete in the same market. I know that the OneWorld alliance has some funny rule stating that you cannot earn AA miles if you fly on BA flights from the US to UK if AA flies the same route.
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The AA/BA issue was an anti-trust measure by either the British and/or US governments because both carriers together occupy such a large share of the transatlantic market.
I would really like to see someone from one of the airlines or the alliance explaining why one does not get any miles under these circumstances.
Jun 13, 2001, 5:52 am
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I fly regularly on Contact Air flights with LH numbers BSL - FRA. The flights always post to M&M. 1000 for M, now Y, and 2000 for C.
Jun 13, 2001, 11:32 pm
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This comment is unrelated to the main topic.
Snoopy, you are right that there are anti-trust issues involved in AA/BA sharing business information. However, this does NOT limit them from granting each other's FF members miles on trans-Atlantic flights. That is a private business decision by AA/BA to preserve their core programs. They can change that anytime WITHOUT anti-trust immunity being granted by the US govt. Anti-trust immunity is needed more for sharing pricing, market strategies, etc.
Snoopy, you are right that there are anti-trust issues involved in AA/BA sharing business information. However, this does NOT limit them from granting each other's FF members miles on trans-Atlantic flights. That is a private business decision by AA/BA to preserve their core programs. They can change that anytime WITHOUT anti-trust immunity being granted by the US govt. Anti-trust immunity is needed more for sharing pricing, market strategies, etc.