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Old Apr 19, 2013 | 9:35 am
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Star Alliance availability: a chart

Hi guys,

I thought it would be nice keep a chart of when it's best to book partners award seats to find F/C availability. Please chime in with corrections/experiences.

LH: disappearing availability, only T-14 for F
OS: no C availability after late July
LX: No F, disappearing C availability. Only chance further out
TG: T-331, except A380 (better availability close-in)
SN: further out
SK: Further out
TK: Disappearing availability further out. Close in?
SQ: no F/C on long hauls
NH: close in availability for F. Sometimes, C further out
OZ: t-331
NZ: t-331, availability only on Asia routes
SA: t-331
ET: t-331
MS: t-331
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Old Apr 19, 2013 | 10:09 am
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Originally Posted by oneworld82
Hi guys,

I thought it would be nice keep a chart of when it's best to book partners award seats to find F/C availability. Please chime in with corrections/experiences.

LH: disappearing availability, only T-14 for F
OS: no C availability after late July
LX: No F, disappearing C availability. Only chance further out
TG: T-331, except A380 (better availability close-in)
SN: further out
SK: Further out
TK: Disappearing availability further out. Close in?
SQ: no F/C on long hauls
NH: close in availability for F. Sometimes, C further out
OZ: t-331
NZ: t-331, availability only on Asia routes
SA: t-331
ET: t-331
MS: t-331
Most if not all the T-331s are self perpetuating and not really the case.
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Old Apr 19, 2013 | 10:22 am
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Originally Posted by oneworld82
SQ: no F/C on long hauls
Not true. there are lots of 'older' C business class routes that are widely avaialble (CPH, MEL, etc)

T-331 is as mentioned a myth.

You cant really make a chart out of this - there is no rhyme or reason to availability. All trends wont hold true 100% of the time.
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Old Apr 19, 2013 | 12:12 pm
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Originally Posted by oneworld82
SQ: no F/C on long hauls
SQ : no F/C on new product, regardless of route

A380 SIN-HKG has no F/C award, but SIN-Europe using old product on 772ER has seats
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Old Apr 19, 2013 | 1:59 pm
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Originally Posted by oneworld82
Hi guys,

I thought it would be nice keep a chart of when it's best to book partners award seats to find F/C availability. Please chime in with corrections/experiences.

LH: disappearing availability, only T-14 for F
OS: no C availability after late July
LX: No F, disappearing C availability. Only chance further out
TG: T-331, except A380 (better availability close-in)
SN: further out
SK: Further out
TK: Disappearing availability further out. Close in?
SQ: no F/C on long hauls
NH: close in availability for F. Sometimes, C further out
OZ: t-331
NZ: t-331, availability only on Asia routes
SA: t-331
ET: t-331
MS: t-331
It's not specifically mentioned, but I assume this is a UA-centric view of the award availability world? This might be better in the UA forum.

Originally Posted by 787fan
SQ : no F/C on new product, regardless of route
Not true. I booked SIN-DEL on a 773 with new F recently, and flew a week or two ago.

Originally Posted by rankourabu
You cant really make a chart out of this - there is no rhyme or reason to availability. All trends wont hold true 100% of the time.
+1

It'd be great to have something reliable to refer to, but after studying/using this quite a bit over the past few years, I think revenue management is a bit more complicated than just saying availability is 'now' or 'later'. Sure, LH F is easy to predict at this point, with increasing availability after T-15ish, but saying NH has F close-in only isn't true, as another example. Sometimes yes, but I also booked MUC-NRT in NH F about 7 months out from a trip.
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Old Apr 22, 2013 | 12:00 pm
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Originally Posted by enki
It's not specifically mentioned, but I assume this is a UA-centric view of the award availability world? This might be better in the UA forum.



Not true. I booked SIN-DEL on a 773 with new F recently, and flew a week or two ago.



+1

It'd be great to have something reliable to refer to, but after studying/using this quite a bit over the past few years, I think revenue management is a bit more complicated than just saying availability is 'now' or 'later'. Sure, LH F is easy to predict at this point, with increasing availability after T-15ish, but saying NH has F close-in only isn't true, as another example. Sometimes yes, but I also booked MUC-NRT in NH F about 7 months out from a trip.
And I just booked ORD-NRT in NH F for February. I think trying to generalize is probably not helpful.
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Old Apr 22, 2013 | 8:14 pm
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Originally Posted by mtkeller
And I just booked ORD-NRT in NH F for February. I think trying to generalize is probably not helpful.
Good to know indeed!
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I have almost 500,000 United miles and can't get a Luthansa upgrade. Any suggestions?
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Old Apr 29, 2013 | 11:39 am
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I have almost 500,000 United miles and can't get a Luthansa upgrade. Any suggestions?
Using UA miles to upgrade on LH metal requires buying a higher fare (Y or B) on LH-operated, LH-coded tickets and also that regular business class award inventory ("I" bucket) be available. Search on your favorite site for LH business class award seats and you can upgrade on those flights.
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