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TerryK Jan 29, 2012 8:46 am


Originally Posted by studyolic (Post 17908579)
I wonder how this will affect SQ's fifth-freedom operation between BCN and GRU. I seem to recall reading that approval for this route was dependent on code-sharing with Spanair. Is there any truth in that?

Hopefully not. OTOH, loss of JK codeshares and feeder flights within Europe will affect BCN-GRU-BCN load/yields which may have commercial impact.

Passmethesickbag Jan 29, 2012 8:58 am


Originally Posted by Hannibal Lecter (Post 17908478)
The *A lounges in BCN, MAD etc. were operated by Spanair, does anyone
know if this will affect them as well?

I imagine it would, although I guess technically they've stopped flying but not yet formally ceased to exist. I understand there used to be a LH lounge at BCN; guess they will have to recreate it. Will be in BCN next so I'll investigate.

Hannibal Lecter Jan 29, 2012 2:52 pm

This bankruptcy is really an early christmas present for Vueling

Vueling to fly to 23 new destinations from Barcelona Airport after increasing passenger numbers by 11.6% in 2011
Barcelona (ACN).- The Catalan airline Vueling intends to consolidate Barcelona El Prat as a “true hub” for intercontinental flights. On Thursday morning, Vueling announced that it will invest €325 million this summer by opening 23 new routes from Barcelona Airport
http://www.catalannewsagency.com/new...nger-numbers-1

Palal Jan 29, 2012 3:40 pm


Originally Posted by Mauricio23 (Post 17907546)
This is a myth that refuses to die. The AVE costs about twice as much as air travel between Barcelona and Madrid.

It is also not faster - at best same door to door time. The AVE in BCN leaves from Sants. Depending where in the city you live, it's not a whole lot slower to get to the airport (especially by taxi).

Finally, if you have anything more than a carry-on bag, the AVE is lot more cumbersome.

Overall more comfortable and less stressful? Sure. But neither cheaper nor faster.

I'd rather spend 2.5 hours working productively than spending the same amount of time going through security, spending time in the lounge, then on board, etc. IMO. The train is a lot less stressful. I sit down, and I start working.

Palal Jan 29, 2012 3:40 pm

TAP should take this great opportunity and set up a base in Barcelona, taking over some of the now-dead Spanair's operations, keeping Star Alliance ever present on the Iberian peninsula. TAP should set up a Barcelona-based daughter low-cost carrier and call it.... get ready for this... TAPA.

asterion Jan 29, 2012 4:28 pm


Originally Posted by GuyverII (Post 17907216)
They probably won't. Economically this is the worst I've seen Spain. It's going to be a miracle for the Rajoy gov't to dig out of this hole the Socialists left the country in.

Spanair has only been able to rebook on other carriers 1/3 of the 22,000 passengers trying to get where they need to be.

Not good.

The People's Party are to blame for much of Spain's pain, as a result of their policies essentially creating what became the property bubble. As opposed to the UK, Spaniards carry very little personal debt aside their mortgages. It is true, though, that Spain would have been in a better standing if the Socialists had not implemented some electioneering measures such as the 400 euro tax rebate for all and the "cheque bebe"

GuyverII Jan 30, 2012 7:57 am


Originally Posted by asterion (Post 17911029)
The People's Party are to blame for much of Spain's pain, as a result of their policies essentially creating what became the property bubble. As opposed to the UK, Spaniards carry very little personal debt aside their mortgages. It is true, though, that Spain would have been in a better standing if the Socialists had not implemented some electioneering measures such as the 400 euro tax rebate for all and the "cheque bebe"

Really? Talking to the Spaniards here they squarely put the blame on the PSOE. After living here for twenty years, it's easy to see the PSOE richly deserved the pounding they received in the latest elections after they destroyed what was created under Aznar.

But I digress:

My main concern is Ryanair expanding. Please, enough is enough.

Koby Jan 30, 2012 9:14 am


Originally Posted by asterion (Post 17911029)
The People's Party are to blame for much of Spain's pain, as a result of their policies essentially creating what became the property bubble.


Originally Posted by GuyverII (Post 17914488)
Really? Talking to the Spaniards here they squarely put the blame on the PSOE

This is probably not the right forum for this. But I think that you are both right: asterion about one of the causes of the crisis, and GuyverII about who the general public blames (without properly analysing the situation).

Anyway, I feel sorry for the people at Spanair (even if they were generally some of the worst airline personal I have ever met during my travels :rolleyes:), but I will not miss the airline. But I am a bit worried about the future of *A in BCN.

X2921294H Jan 30, 2012 12:57 pm


Originally Posted by PVDtoDEL (Post 17908115)
A3, OZ, TK. Take your pick

I am going for A3. Hoping they will survive the financial crisis.
Nonetheless ... the JK points are probably lost.

Passmethesickbag Jan 30, 2012 1:19 pm

LH has already updated their lounge directory:

Star Gold Card
Airport Barcelona
Location Sala Pau Casals: Terminal 1 - between the floors of the boarding zone and the Sky Center, on the south side
Name Sala Pau Casals
Opening hours 5:00 am - 10:30 pm

If I'm not mistaken, this one was for F and HON only, and the JK lounge listed for everybody else, as recently as yesterday. Those Germans - efficient and unsentimental!

heramato Jan 30, 2012 3:12 pm


Originally Posted by Passmethesickbag (Post 17916742)
Those Germans - efficient and unsentimental!

:D

Hannibal Lecter Jan 30, 2012 3:22 pm


Originally Posted by Passmethesickbag (Post 17916742)
Those Germans - efficient and unsentimental!

Ordnung ist das ganze Leben vs. Maņana ?

more4less Jan 30, 2012 3:34 pm


Originally Posted by Passmethesickbag (Post 17916742)
If I'm not mistaken, this one was for F and HON only, and the JK lounge listed for everybody else, as recently as yesterday.

I also read this in another thread but the couple of times I have been in F they did not address me to this lounge.
The decoration/quality of the furniture is slightly better but the drinks and food offerings are the same, so not a big improvement.

more4less Jan 30, 2012 3:45 pm


Originally Posted by Koby (Post 17914963)
This is probably not the right forum for this. But I think that you are both right: asterion about one of the causes of the crisis, and GuyverII about who the general public blames (without properly analysing the situation).

Anyway, I feel sorry for the people at Spanair (even if they were generally some of the worst airline personal I have ever met during my travels :rolleyes:), but I will not miss the airline. But I am a bit worried about the future of *A in BCN.

1. I agree that is not the right forum to discuss this but the bubble was caused by the irrationality of the people thinking that the price of the houses could grow forever.
Of course banks, politicians,...fueled this but it had no sense that property prices in small towns, in the middle of nowhere, were higher than in Berlin.

2. +1 on Spanair but I actually miss more the end of LH Italia. The flights to MXP were very convenient and the fares fantastic.

josmon10 Jan 31, 2012 5:27 am


Originally Posted by saviox (Post 17917784)
1. I agree that is not the right forum to discuss this but the bubble was caused by the irrationality of the people thinking that the price of the houses could grow forever.

+1. And let's put an end to discussing politics here, as it really has nothing to do with the demise of an airline that had been doomed for years, and the Barajas accident plus the current crisis only precipitated the fall.

Vueling and Ryanair are now trying to make the most of the situation, but I think it's the former that will pull it off. It has the most routes in common, including the BCN-MAD shuttle, it's the "unofficial" airline of BCN and the one that should have more support from the government... but nothing like what Spanair got, of course.


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