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Passmethesickbag Jan 27, 2012 4:34 pm


Originally Posted by Passmethesickbag (Post 17900320)
The www.staralliance.com homepage has been replaced with a page with a statement about Spanair. It links to www.staralliance.com for further contact information, which, if you click it, immediately takes you back to the same Spanair announcement page. Genius!

Never mind, they've fixed it.

Fanjet Jan 27, 2012 4:45 pm

Even though my flights would never post to my CO FF account (thankfully I just got my last flight back-credited in December) they were a decent carrier to fly on. And they had really great one-way fares in/out of Barcelona, unlike Iberia. Sad to see them go.

rathin100 Jan 27, 2012 5:03 pm


Originally Posted by Hannibal Lecter (Post 17900334)
i.e. a typical Spanish airline :p

really, how many airlines in the garlic-belt are well-managed?
.

Zero. Add south America to the garlic belt. Still zero. But try going to the Alitalia corner and see if they agree, the think they have a world beating airline going....

panyafe Jan 27, 2012 7:47 pm

Good news! Now I have to change my two tickets MAD-PMI-MAD for February and March. I do not expect to be such an easy task to get this sorted so I will have to see how this unfolds.

Truly, this does not surprise me. The service was foul and so was their communication campaign about Spanair being "La de todos" ("Everyone's airline"). Their campaign was about asking consumers/clients about ideas on how to offer a good frequent flyer programme - not a very difficult thing to achieve, in my opinion. The lack of consistency on the transparency they were transmitting and the real service that was being offered, was preposterous to say the least.

Spanair represents the average Spanish company whose incapability towards being business oriented had always been insultingly palpable. No special offers for Silver status or for their Spanair Plus AmEx Gold card holders, poor service, special fees were applied on phone bills when calling Spanair's CS, 90% of their flights suffered delays etc...

iahphx Jan 27, 2012 8:34 pm


Originally Posted by Fanjet (Post 17900410)
Even though my flights would never post to my CO FF account (thankfully I just got my last flight back-credited in December) they were a decent carrier to fly on. And they had really great one-way fares in/out of Barcelona, unlike Iberia. Sad to see them go.

I'll miss them, too. I didn't know they were having severe financial problems. It was a bit of an odd airline. I only flew them a couple times intra-Spain. They had a very pleasant lounge at BCN. It was then weird to get on their planes and have to pay for a soda.

Shareholder Jan 27, 2012 9:48 pm


Originally Posted by Hannibal Lecter (Post 17900334)
i.e. a typical Spanish airline :p

really, how many airlines in the garlic-belt are well-managed?
bankruptcy and reconstruction is the way forward.
not only for airlines...

Country is in a recession and disposable income limited. Not a complete surprise for an airline with limited overseas exposure. If CEO was so bad why is Manchester hiring him?

heramato Jan 27, 2012 10:12 pm


Originally Posted by Shareholder (Post 17901642)
Country is in a recession and disposable income limited. Not a complete surprise for an airline with limited overseas exposure. If CEO was so bad why is Manchester hiring him?

If CEO was good Barcelona should be the one hiring him. :p

santarosaflyer Jan 28, 2012 12:30 am

I travel to Spain 1-3 times a year for holiday. When I was in the UK a couple of weeks ago the news reported the unemployment rate in Spain is 22%; among the under 25, the unemployment rate is close to 50%. Each time I go (three times in 2011), more stores in Torremolinos and Malaga are closed. When the Spanish tourists come to Torremolinos they are tending to come for less days and spend less money.

So, a leisure airline like Spanair without the capital of say, Iberia, poorly run or not would have a rough time. I was shocked on one trip that the middle seats in business class were also sold and occupied. Other than a bit better meal, I could not figure why anyone would buy for business class on the short flights. The BOB product was unexciting and expensive. I brought drinks from the lounge and bought a sandwich in the airport.

Many of their non-stop flights were only one or two per day so clearly not aimed at the business traveler.

But still, they had great one-way prices and their service were several steps above Ryanair. I hope maybe one of *A carriers will expand within Spain. I know LH depended on on Spanair for a number of connections.

Doubtful that LH would waste money on a LH Espana. The economy in Spain is very poor. Looking at the Spanair site, some of their former routes IIRC included Philadelphia, New York, and London.

USAir also code-shared with Spanair althought UA and CO did not. I wonder how the demise will affect US seasonal BCN service.

PVDtoDEL Jan 28, 2012 1:15 am


Originally Posted by santarosaflyer (Post 17902120)
USAir also code-shared with Spanair althought UA and CO did not. I wonder how the demise will affect US seasonal BCN service.

US Airways got screwed by JK last year when Spanair misfiled a codeshare price and it went viral in the MR forum... I doubt they'll miss Spanair too much.

I don't think they ever flew to Philly - I'm pretty sure that was just a codeshare.

GuyverII Jan 28, 2012 1:20 am

Ugh. Zero *A options through SVQ now. Looks like we'll be taking the AVE up to MAD and zip out that way. Previously used the SVQ-BCN route in the am and then pick up another carrier in the pm.

Kind of expecting it--this airline was on life support for a couple of years.

Harakka Jan 28, 2012 2:04 am

Finns and charter travel with JK
 
Somehow this was expected with the Spain's unemployment rate and financial situation. This news won't be very good for hundreds of Finns who are heading to Spain and the Canary islands when the schools' winter holidays start after couple of weeks. At least one leisure travel agency has JK's charter flights so lots of rebooking and organizing ahead.

Sympathy for the staff, they were fun to work with.

alanw Jan 28, 2012 4:21 am

I was scheduled to fly them BCN-LPA on Friday. Luckily as soon as we saw the news we bought new tickets on VY and are good to go. So far it seems that there isn't a lot of chaos at the airports, though JK's web site includes an onerous-sounding statement that they will try to keep ticket offices open if safety and security permit.

This is coming as a surprise because everyone assumed QR were going to buy them. When talks fell through on Thursday JK were left with no options for more operating capital and the Catalan government is broke so couldn't "help them out" again.

13 hours ago they posted what was, for me, a very sad last tweet, saying goodbye and thanks for everyone's confidence during the years.

There are one million families in Spain that have all members unemployed. This is going to add another two thousand people looking for work.

snod08 Jan 28, 2012 4:46 am

Star Alliance still has this page (as of 6AM Central Time USA Jan-28)
http://www.staralliance.com/en/about...-air_airlines/

Wonder they will edit their website.....obviously not as fast as Spanair shut down.

Palal Jan 28, 2012 7:24 am


Originally Posted by snod08 (Post 17902656)
Star Alliance still has this page (as of 6AM Central Time USA Jan-28)
http://www.staralliance.com/en/about...-air_airlines/

Wonder they will edit their website.....obviously not as fast as Spanair shut down.

I doubt anyone in Germany is going to use their weekend to work on this. They posted on Facebook about the shutdown and on their home page. I think that's enough for now.

uapremier Jan 28, 2012 9:13 am

Spanair-Ceased Operations
 
Don't think I saw this posted yet...

Spanair operations ceased
We have received notice that our Star Alliance partner Spanair (airline code: JK) has ceased operations. We are working on the reaccomodation policy and procedure and will communicate more information as soon as we have details.


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