LUV Voucher Torpedoed my Travel Funds (tainting and expiration)
#1
Original Poster
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Northern Cal
Programs: UAL, Delta, SWA, AA
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LUV Voucher Torpedoed my Travel Funds (tainting and expiration)
My usual experience with SWA turned from Delighted to Exasperated. I booked a RT flight to LAX in June of this year. The $300 + fare had to be canceled due to illness. I booked using my SWA CC. I did use a LUV Voucher for $50 and that was the issue.
Apparently the reservation adopts the "expiration date" of the voucher, in this case August 2019. I found this out after trying to apply my "Travel Funds" for a November flight. Two calls to SWA, with the last being to Customer Relations. The net result is they could give me an extension of my funds after deducting a $100 fee, each way. This would include another voucher.
I did receive a bit of a lecture. In order to claim a travel credit you must use the locator ID of the original reservation. I also must review the reservation receipt for any fine print.
The initial gesture of a "$50 Luv Voucher" cost me $250.
Apparently the reservation adopts the "expiration date" of the voucher, in this case August 2019. I found this out after trying to apply my "Travel Funds" for a November flight. Two calls to SWA, with the last being to Customer Relations. The net result is they could give me an extension of my funds after deducting a $100 fee, each way. This would include another voucher.
I did receive a bit of a lecture. In order to claim a travel credit you must use the locator ID of the original reservation. I also must review the reservation receipt for any fine print.
The initial gesture of a "$50 Luv Voucher" cost me $250.
#2
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Chicagoland, IL, USA
Programs: WN CP, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 14,192
Assuming I am following you:
The combining of funds with different expirations makes the whole amount take on the soonest expiration.
Unfortunate and kinda underhanded, I agree.
But this is nothing new. It is right on Southwest’s website:
“Southwest LUV Vouchers must be redeemed and all travel completed by the expiration date indicated. If applied in conjunction with any other accepted form(s) of payment, the earliest expiration date of all payments applies.“
The combining of funds with different expirations makes the whole amount take on the soonest expiration.
Unfortunate and kinda underhanded, I agree.
But this is nothing new. It is right on Southwest’s website:
“Southwest LUV Vouchers must be redeemed and all travel completed by the expiration date indicated. If applied in conjunction with any other accepted form(s) of payment, the earliest expiration date of all payments applies.“
#3
Join Date: Oct 2001
Programs: LTP, PP
Posts: 8,700
Ugh. Didn't not know vouchers taint the TTF.
Why $100 x each way = a $250 loss though?
They should be able to convert the entire PNR to a voucher for a flat $100 deduction, IIRC. True? Better than a sharp stick in the eye...
Why $100 x each way = a $250 loss though?
They should be able to convert the entire PNR to a voucher for a flat $100 deduction, IIRC. True? Better than a sharp stick in the eye...
#4
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Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: DCA
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Posts: 50,262
WN giveth and WN taketh away.
It is flexible on cancellations and changes, but expirations and refundability cannot be comingled. Or more precisely, they can be but the most restrictive or least favorable terms apply. That is common to the rest of the industry.
It is flexible on cancellations and changes, but expirations and refundability cannot be comingled. Or more precisely, they can be but the most restrictive or least favorable terms apply. That is common to the rest of the industry.
#5
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Dallas, TX
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Posts: 191
I actually got knocked on this yesterday when booking a flight; I called in and learned the same thing from Reservations. Thankfully it was only $30 I lost along with the $86 of expired funds, but I definitely will be cognizant of this in the future.
#7
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: MSP
Programs: Marriott Lifetime Titanium, UA Silver, Hertz 5*
Posts: 913
My story is even sadder.
I don't usually purchase Anytime fares but this time I knew I would need to change or cancel. So to be safe I bought any Anytime fare. Only I used a gift card (which has no expiration date) for $200 and topped off the difference with my CC. When I canceled, the entire amount became non refundable with a 1 year expiry date from the date of purchase of the ticket. I was expecting that the amount paid on the Gift Card would go back to the Gift Card and the amount paid on the CC would go back on the CC.
Eventually I did end up using some of that credit but definitely lost a fair bit. I stopped using WN gift cards since.
I don't usually purchase Anytime fares but this time I knew I would need to change or cancel. So to be safe I bought any Anytime fare. Only I used a gift card (which has no expiration date) for $200 and topped off the difference with my CC. When I canceled, the entire amount became non refundable with a 1 year expiry date from the date of purchase of the ticket. I was expecting that the amount paid on the Gift Card would go back to the Gift Card and the amount paid on the CC would go back on the CC.
Eventually I did end up using some of that credit but definitely lost a fair bit. I stopped using WN gift cards since.
#8
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 6,286
My story is even sadder.
I don't usually purchase Anytime fares but this time I knew I would need to change or cancel. So to be safe I bought any Anytime fare. Only I used a gift card (which has no expiration date) for $200 and topped off the difference with my CC. When I canceled, the entire amount became non refundable with a 1 year expiry date from the date of purchase of the ticket. I was expecting that the amount paid on the Gift Card would go back to the Gift Card and the amount paid on the CC would go back on the CC.
Eventually I did end up using some of that credit but definitely lost a fair bit. I stopped using WN gift cards since.
I don't usually purchase Anytime fares but this time I knew I would need to change or cancel. So to be safe I bought any Anytime fare. Only I used a gift card (which has no expiration date) for $200 and topped off the difference with my CC. When I canceled, the entire amount became non refundable with a 1 year expiry date from the date of purchase of the ticket. I was expecting that the amount paid on the Gift Card would go back to the Gift Card and the amount paid on the CC would go back on the CC.
Eventually I did end up using some of that credit but definitely lost a fair bit. I stopped using WN gift cards since.
#9
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Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I'm sorry that the OP had this experience, but the rules have been discussed over and over again here. Yes, there is quite a bit of flexibility but you have to understand the rules. Just this morning, a new WN flyer was saying that they "were going to buy tickets as far ahead as possible and use re-faring to get TTFs". I pointed out that you must be careful because of the strict TTF expiration date. You want to strategically use TTFs to minimize the possibility of tainting future tickets.
#10
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: California
Posts: 1,129
OP is new and 98% of the customers don't come here either. So they would not know about tainting and how we discuss it frequently. On the other hand, the rules at the other airlines are worse. I've thrown away a number of other airlines' $50-$200 tickets because of their change fees. I've lost a number of small Southwest vouchers because I wasn't willing to taint the CC funds. Losing money this way is part of doing business although I've never tainted an entire big ticket and have the whole thing vaporize.