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Mar 2, 2019, 8:45 pm
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The OP does not believe this to have been the case, so your premise is not factual.
And: "whatever consequences"? Including having your items stolen, as has happened in other cases? If I park my car illegally, do I deserve to have it burned to the ground? Sorry, but even stipulating your faulty premise the punishment would not fit the crime. We need to practice the Golden Rule.
And: "whatever consequences"? Including having your items stolen, as has happened in other cases? If I park my car illegally, do I deserve to have it burned to the ground? Sorry, but even stipulating your faulty premise the punishment would not fit the crime. We need to practice the Golden Rule.
Mar 3, 2019, 2:42 pm
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Occam's Razor guys.
The bag didn't move. He moved.
That's the simplest explanation sufficient to jibe with the facts as given.
He stashed his bag under the seat in front of him as we all do. Then for whatever reason he got up (earlier I postulated that he went to the lav; but that's just a guess) and when he came back he sat one row in front of his seat, meaning his bag is now under his seat. This is WN - no seat assignments. And how many times with a seat assignment have people sat a row ahead or behind they're actual seat? It's been reported dozens of times on FT.
The OP already says he was so tired he dozed off repeatedly even before take off.
Any other explanation - especially accusations of his being a knowing violator of the basic rules of stowing bags in an airplane - say volumes more about the accuser than the OP.
Now what about the actual point of the original post?
Should WN charge him to ship his bag up to him? Or can't they just send it to OAK on a regularly scheduled flight and he can come pick it up at the airport?
The bag didn't move. He moved.
That's the simplest explanation sufficient to jibe with the facts as given.
He stashed his bag under the seat in front of him as we all do. Then for whatever reason he got up (earlier I postulated that he went to the lav; but that's just a guess) and when he came back he sat one row in front of his seat, meaning his bag is now under his seat. This is WN - no seat assignments. And how many times with a seat assignment have people sat a row ahead or behind they're actual seat? It's been reported dozens of times on FT.
The OP already says he was so tired he dozed off repeatedly even before take off.
Any other explanation - especially accusations of his being a knowing violator of the basic rules of stowing bags in an airplane - say volumes more about the accuser than the OP.
Now what about the actual point of the original post?
Should WN charge him to ship his bag up to him? Or can't they just send it to OAK on a regularly scheduled flight and he can come pick it up at the airport?
Mar 3, 2019, 4:02 pm
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Occam's Razor guys.
The bag didn't move. He moved.
That's the simplest explanation sufficient to jibe with the facts as given.
He stashed his bag under the seat in front of him as we all do. Then for whatever reason he got up (earlier I postulated that he went to the lav; but that's just a guess) and when he came back he sat one row in front of his seat, meaning his bag is now under his seat. This is WN - no seat assignments. And how many times with a seat assignment have people sat a row ahead or behind they're actual seat? It's been reported dozens of times on FT.
The OP already says he was so tired he dozed off repeatedly even before take off.
Any other explanation - especially accusations of his being a knowing violator of the basic rules of stowing bags in an airplane - say volumes more about the accuser than the OP.
Now what about the actual point of the original post?
Should WN charge him to ship his bag up to him? Or can't they just send it to OAK on a regularly scheduled flight and he can come pick it up at the airport?
The bag didn't move. He moved.
That's the simplest explanation sufficient to jibe with the facts as given.
He stashed his bag under the seat in front of him as we all do. Then for whatever reason he got up (earlier I postulated that he went to the lav; but that's just a guess) and when he came back he sat one row in front of his seat, meaning his bag is now under his seat. This is WN - no seat assignments. And how many times with a seat assignment have people sat a row ahead or behind they're actual seat? It's been reported dozens of times on FT.
The OP already says he was so tired he dozed off repeatedly even before take off.
Any other explanation - especially accusations of his being a knowing violator of the basic rules of stowing bags in an airplane - say volumes more about the accuser than the OP.
Now what about the actual point of the original post?
Should WN charge him to ship his bag up to him? Or can't they just send it to OAK on a regularly scheduled flight and he can come pick it up at the airport?
And I don't think he knowingly violated the rules, I think he made a mistake. I get the impression (I could be wrong, it's just a gut feeling) that he's not a very experienced flyer, and may not have fully understood the term "under the seat in front of you". Particularly if he was so exhausted that he fell asleep before the aircraft even took off.
Despite the slogan, bags don't really fly free on WN. Both bags and people cost money to fly from one place to another; WN simply builds that cost into the fare, rather than a la carteing it as most other carriers do these days. As such, I would not think WN the bad guys if they shipped the bag directly to OP via USPS, at his expense. WN did nothing wrong, nor did the person behind him who reported the bag, nor did the FAs who most likely believed that the bag belonged to someone who had just deplaned and made a good-faith effort to return it to them.
Sure, OP made a mistake, and is not a villain, but that doesn't mean he's not liable for the consequences of his mistake. In this case, that means he will probably have to pay the shipping costs to get his bag back.
Unless, of course, WN decides to do him a solid in the name of customer relations and absorb the cost themselves. I would have no problem with that. But if they don't do it, that doesn't make them a villain, either.
Mar 3, 2019, 4:45 pm
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Some companies have policies that at least some of their business travelers should not to have anything showing in public, such as a luggage ID, that identifies either the company or the person by name. [They're also not supposed to wear items that have the corporate logo, etc.]
Mar 3, 2019, 4:52 pm
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Yes, OP wrote one thing that can be taken as "incriminating" but subsequently made a different description. This could be backtracking, or it could be that the first thing they said was written in haste or under stressful conditions and they wrote one thing but meant another, and the second description was the correct one.
So we just don't know.
Mar 3, 2019, 6:45 pm
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OT I know
But we’re all arguing essentially about $50
i value my time at >$50/hr
Therefore if this was me and I was looking at spending an hour or more to sort this out, i’d just swallow the cost
everyone will place a different value on their time but it’s important to keep some perspective
But we’re all arguing essentially about $50
i value my time at >$50/hr
Therefore if this was me and I was looking at spending an hour or more to sort this out, i’d just swallow the cost
everyone will place a different value on their time but it’s important to keep some perspective
Mar 4, 2019, 7:07 am
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Some companies have policies that at least some of their business travelers should not to have anything showing in public, such as a luggage ID, that identifies either the company or the person by name. [They're also not supposed to wear items that have the corporate logo, etc.]
Mar 4, 2019, 7:53 am
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driving to airport (petrol cost/tolls), parking (parking cost), collecting bag (if airline carry foc) is going to cost OP both money and time.
...... the total cost going to airport may already approach the fedex costs, so OP mights as well use and pay fedex, though for a 20yr old, us$50 (after tax monies) may well be significant amount and OP would rather not spend anything if airline can be persuaded to pay.
Regards fault, to my mind 50/50, should not be under his own seat, bags under seats won't self shift from under seats while plane is stationary at gate, where plane had to be for crew to offload said bag. Especially won't shift to under your seat due to the bar under front of ones seat. CC won't/can't delay takeoff to search for bag owner, but logically CC maybe could+should ask passenger on seat above said bag before offloading.
However flying bag to OPs airport costs nothing, though a logistics issue , it goes into hold as unaccompanied luggage, gets damaged/lost, and OP then blames airline even more. I can see airline wanting to fedex to cover themselves against bag getting damaged or lost during return to OP.
...... the total cost going to airport may already approach the fedex costs, so OP mights as well use and pay fedex, though for a 20yr old, us$50 (after tax monies) may well be significant amount and OP would rather not spend anything if airline can be persuaded to pay.
Regards fault, to my mind 50/50, should not be under his own seat, bags under seats won't self shift from under seats while plane is stationary at gate, where plane had to be for crew to offload said bag. Especially won't shift to under your seat due to the bar under front of ones seat. CC won't/can't delay takeoff to search for bag owner, but logically CC maybe could+should ask passenger on seat above said bag before offloading.
However flying bag to OPs airport costs nothing, though a logistics issue , it goes into hold as unaccompanied luggage, gets damaged/lost, and OP then blames airline even more. I can see airline wanting to fedex to cover themselves against bag getting damaged or lost during return to OP.
Mar 4, 2019, 12:36 pm
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driving to airport (petrol cost/tolls), parking (parking cost), collecting bag (if airline carry foc) is going to cost OP both money and time.
...... the total cost going to airport may already approach the fedex costs, so OP mights as well use and pay fedex, though for a 20yr old, us$50 (after tax monies) may well be significant amount and OP would rather not spend anything if airline can be persuaded to pay.
Regards fault, to my mind 50/50, should not be under his own seat, bags under seats won't self shift from under seats while plane is stationary at gate, where plane had to be for crew to offload said bag. Especially won't shift to under your seat due to the bar under front of ones seat. CC won't/can't delay takeoff to search for bag owner, but logically CC maybe could+should ask passenger on seat above said bag before offloading.
However flying bag to OPs airport costs nothing, though a logistics issue , it goes into hold as unaccompanied luggage, gets damaged/lost, and OP then blames airline even more. I can see airline wanting to fedex to cover themselves against bag getting damaged or lost during return to OP.
...... the total cost going to airport may already approach the fedex costs, so OP mights as well use and pay fedex, though for a 20yr old, us$50 (after tax monies) may well be significant amount and OP would rather not spend anything if airline can be persuaded to pay.
Regards fault, to my mind 50/50, should not be under his own seat, bags under seats won't self shift from under seats while plane is stationary at gate, where plane had to be for crew to offload said bag. Especially won't shift to under your seat due to the bar under front of ones seat. CC won't/can't delay takeoff to search for bag owner, but logically CC maybe could+should ask passenger on seat above said bag before offloading.
However flying bag to OPs airport costs nothing, though a logistics issue , it goes into hold as unaccompanied luggage, gets damaged/lost, and OP then blames airline even more. I can see airline wanting to fedex to cover themselves against bag getting damaged or lost during return to OP.
I admit however the considerations brought up by scubaccr are valid.
But history has shown WN - seemingly somewhat unique among domestic carriers - often willing to bend their rules a bit to accommodate a passenger who, often by their own actions, has found themselves in difficulty.
Mar 4, 2019, 1:30 pm
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OT I know
But we’re all arguing essentially about $50
i value my time at >$50/hr
Therefore if this was me and I was looking at spending an hour or more to sort this out, i’d just swallow the cost
everyone will place a different value on their time but it’s important to keep some perspective
But we’re all arguing essentially about $50
i value my time at >$50/hr
Therefore if this was me and I was looking at spending an hour or more to sort this out, i’d just swallow the cost
everyone will place a different value on their time but it’s important to keep some perspective
That said, this is not the case here. Probably innocent mistakes all around - on the part of the OP for putting his bag in the wrong place and on the part of the FA for not quickly realizing whose bag it was. The upthread suggestion that WN should just tag it on the next OAK flight and let OP come and get it seems like the most reasonable solution for both sides.