WN going to Hawaii
Oct 29, 2017, 3:21 am
#151
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Executive summary of the article:
- Initial flights will be from California airports.
- Gary Kelly said that inter-island service "has been down our priority list, but we will have serious consideration of that."
- If they don't initially have inter-island flights, they might add them later.
- Red-eye flights aren't being seriously considered, although they may add them later.
- The union threat (see toomanybooks's post for details) doesn't matter because the planned flights to Hawai'i do not violate the collective bargaining agreement.
Oct 29, 2017, 8:27 pm
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Oct 30, 2017, 12:07 pm
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So, is it Hawaii that will change Southwest's Red Eye Flight culture? For people from East Coast, you would have to fly red-eye or overnight at a city for their return to East Coast from Hawaii. Currently Southwest have no transcon red-eyes.
As for logistics, I don't believe Southwest has Rafts, flotation seats, nor refrigeration or oven on any of its aircrafts (except ice)...... In order to serve fresh or cooked food, refrigeration or oven is needed.....
and probably need more lavatory than two....
Jiburi
As for logistics, I don't believe Southwest has Rafts, flotation seats, nor refrigeration or oven on any of its aircrafts (except ice)...... In order to serve fresh or cooked food, refrigeration or oven is needed.....
and probably need more lavatory than two....
Jiburi
Why do you think SW is some rag-tag airline that doesn't even have floating seat cushions when they already make a number of flights over water?? In addition, if they're flying from LAX or other locations, who gives a crap about a warm meal?? I'd honestly rather bring my own food than eat the crap they call food on Delta.
Oct 30, 2017, 2:11 pm
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Right. Please be patient. It will take a while.
Now I remember that. I remember what happened years ago. They didn't have a safety inspections the entire aircraft. That's big problems.
See here:
Southwest Airlines grounds 128 planes over missed inspections
WN to ground 737-700 fleet
Unfortunately, this was only the latest occurrence. WN has a history not to do this properly.
Southwest Airlines grounds 128 planes over missed inspections
WN to ground 737-700 fleet
Unfortunately, this was only the latest occurrence. WN has a history not to do this properly.
Nov 9, 2017, 3:12 pm
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Interesting read about island hopping flights:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...hopping-routes
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...hopping-routes
Nov 9, 2017, 4:32 pm
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Interesting read about island hopping flights:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...hopping-routes
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...hopping-routes
Nov 9, 2017, 6:43 pm
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I wonder if the current administration's stance with North Korea, and potential escalation, will cause a hit to Hawaii tourism in 2018? Southwest's timing in this market could sadly be as bad as it was with Cuba, and for essentially the same reason.
Nov 9, 2017, 8:09 pm
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Interesting read about island hopping flights:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...hopping-routes
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...hopping-routes
Nov 9, 2017, 9:19 pm
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It sounds like haven't been reading this thread thoroughly. There have been technical problems with other airlines trying island-hopping back-and-forth with full-size planes before. Southwest can't solve technical problems just by wishing them away!
One theory is that Southwest can only do island hopping with their current planes as add-on flights, but not using dedicated planes based in Hawaii. Ie, OAK-OGG-HNL, HNL-KOA-SMF, etc.
Nov 9, 2017, 10:42 pm
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Nov 9, 2017, 10:45 pm
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How do you know they can???
It sounds like haven't been reading this thread thoroughly. There have been technical problems with other airlines trying island-hopping back-and-forth with full-size planes before. Southwest can't solve technical problems just by wishing them away!
One theory is that Southwest can only do island hopping with their current planes as add-on flights, but not using dedicated planes based in Hawaii. Ie, OAK-OGG-HNL, HNL-KOA-SMF, etc.
It sounds like haven't been reading this thread thoroughly. There have been technical problems with other airlines trying island-hopping back-and-forth with full-size planes before. Southwest can't solve technical problems just by wishing them away!
One theory is that Southwest can only do island hopping with their current planes as add-on flights, but not using dedicated planes based in Hawaii. Ie, OAK-OGG-HNL, HNL-KOA-SMF, etc.
Nov 11, 2017, 12:19 pm
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There seems to a lot of discussion about OAK and BUR as primary California airports to to HI, but little about SJC as a viable option. LAS totally makes sense so I'm not questioning that one.
HA rolls a couple HI flights a day out of SJC (as do others, possibly AS). WN has expanded at least 1 (if not 2) more gates there with SJC adding what looks like 5-6 more gates from Terminal B. WN has SJC<->BWI flights daily so I'm really curious what the group think is about practically dismissing SJC in this discussion?
HA rolls a couple HI flights a day out of SJC (as do others, possibly AS). WN has expanded at least 1 (if not 2) more gates there with SJC adding what looks like 5-6 more gates from Terminal B. WN has SJC<->BWI flights daily so I'm really curious what the group think is about practically dismissing SJC in this discussion?
Nov 13, 2017, 2:12 am
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Resource-wide, WN has 9x more employees at OAK than SJC. Even the numbers of WN gates at OAK are doubled compared to SJC.
Basically - SJC is almost a certain no for Hawaii service.