The SQ 787 - shockingly bad J-class seat :( !!
Apr 2, 2019, 8:40 pm
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Apr 4, 2019, 2:40 am
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787 seat config (along with new A350 seat config) are my favourite SQ ones. The ones I can't stand are the 'at an angle' J seats (e.g. 777) that twist my back when I recline if I were to have any legroom at all.
I always try to pick the 787 flights on SQ where possible, although I don't actually like the 787 itself. I wish all the A350s had the 'regional' non-twist seat config.
I always try to pick the 787 flights on SQ where possible, although I don't actually like the 787 itself. I wish all the A350s had the 'regional' non-twist seat config.
Apr 5, 2019, 8:08 am
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I flew SQ's 787-10 in J from Singapore to Perth and back in December 2018, and found the new regional J seats to be superb. I found the seats good enough for long haul. I am of average Asian build, so perhaps that was a factor. For reference, I did a trip report here (Links to external SQTalk site).
Apr 6, 2019, 7:25 pm
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I flew SQ's 787-10 in J from Singapore to Perth and back in December 2018, and found the new regional J seats to be superb. I found the seats good enough for long haul. I am of average Asian build, so perhaps that was a factor. For reference, I did a trip report here (Links to external SQTalk site).
Apr 7, 2019, 4:43 am
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Thanks, jinrop, glad you enjoyed reading it! I think it's always useful to include facts and photos so that the reader can decide for himself/herself whether a product is "shockingly bad" or, conversely, really quite excellent.
Apr 8, 2019, 6:24 pm
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I flew SQ's 787-10 in J from Singapore to Perth and back in December 2018, and found the new regional J seats to be superb.
I found the seats good enough for long haul. I am of average Asian build, so perhaps that was a factor.
For reference, I did a trip report here (Links to external SQTalk site).
I found the seats good enough for long haul. I am of average Asian build, so perhaps that was a factor.
For reference, I did a trip report here (Links to external SQTalk site).
I've got a couple of MNL flights coming up thru' Oct. in J (& once in Y in Nov. but I've already tried the back of the bus) so it'll be interesting to find out for myself.
p/s I love your TR's esp. the current one - thanks for taking the time & effort to write, I know it's very time consuming!
I'm sure some local travel blogs would love to get you on as a guest writer or contributor
Apr 8, 2019, 6:33 pm
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Stage-Length. The average distance flown, measure in statute miles, per aircraft departure. The measure is calculated by dividing total aircraft miles flown by the number of total aircraft departures performed.
How is it different? A regional light is based on the distance flown or the flight time though the definition of "regional" may differ - but safe to say that intra-Asia & any flights over 2 hours but under 6-8 is considered regional - or at least to me it is.
So how is it different at CX vs SQ as they both fly within the region - SE Asia & N. Asia etc. as well as to Europe & USA?
Apr 8, 2019, 6:35 pm
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You should check out the A350 "shockingly bad" thread ... LOL
Apr 9, 2019, 9:01 am
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LOL - so you are saying it's not "shockingly bad"?
I've got a couple of MNL flights coming up thru' Oct. in J (& once in Y in Nov. but I've already tried the back of the bus) so it'll be interesting to find out for myself.
p/s I love your TR's esp. the current one - thanks for taking the time & effort to write, I know it's very time consuming!
I'm sure some local travel blogs would love to get you on as a guest writer or contributor
I've got a couple of MNL flights coming up thru' Oct. in J (& once in Y in Nov. but I've already tried the back of the bus) so it'll be interesting to find out for myself.
p/s I love your TR's esp. the current one - thanks for taking the time & effort to write, I know it's very time consuming!
I'm sure some local travel blogs would love to get you on as a guest writer or contributor
Something to note for your upcoming MNL flights: SIA has had some issues with the engines on their 787-10's recently, and some of them are now grounded. This has meant that a number of 787-10 services have been subbed with other equipment types.
I flew SQ to Manila last week, and was disappointed when both flights were subbed from 787-10's to 777's with the old Y and J cabin products (2-2-2 Regional J). The catering was good and cabin crew were still wonderful (Outbound Y, inbound J) but still, it's never fun when the newest cabin products are swapped out for older products. Hopefully these issues are resolved by the time you fly.
Apr 9, 2019, 2:27 pm
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I had to Google this -
Stage-Length. The average distance flown, measure in statute miles, per aircraft departure. The measure is calculated by dividing total aircraft miles flown by the number of total aircraft departures performed.
How is it different? A regional light is based on the distance flown or the flight time though the definition of "regional" may differ - but safe to say that intra-Asia & any flights over 2 hours but under 6-8 is considered regional - or at least to me it is.
So how is it different at CX vs SQ as they both fly within the region - SE Asia & N. Asia etc. as well as to Europe & USA?
Stage-Length. The average distance flown, measure in statute miles, per aircraft departure. The measure is calculated by dividing total aircraft miles flown by the number of total aircraft departures performed.
How is it different? A regional light is based on the distance flown or the flight time though the definition of "regional" may differ - but safe to say that intra-Asia & any flights over 2 hours but under 6-8 is considered regional - or at least to me it is.
So how is it different at CX vs SQ as they both fly within the region - SE Asia & N. Asia etc. as well as to Europe & USA?
It all boils down to that SQ is willing to do some longer flights with regional J than CX does (especially Australia) so they need a better product, whereas CX doesn't seem to think they can derive a premium from having a consistent lie-flat J product to places like Tokyo/Singapore/Osaka/Seoul (which would take away from space from Y), so they put in recliner J seats with 45" pitch (essentially equivalent to their longhaul Y+ product) into their regional 773s/A330s and cram in as many Y seats as they can. It's a different fleet concept- CX has more overall seats in a regional config A330 than SQ does in a regional A359, even though the A359 is a considerably bigger plane.
Apr 11, 2019, 6:49 am
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I flew SQ to Manila last week, and was disappointed when both flights were subbed from 787-10's to 777's with the old Y and J cabin products (2-2-2 Regional J). The catering was good and cabin crew were still wonderful (Outbound Y, inbound J) but still, it's never fun when the newest cabin products are swapped out for older products. Hopefully these issues are resolved by the time you fly.
Apr 11, 2019, 10:51 am
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Thanks for your kind comments, kaffir76! Appreciated!
Something to note for your upcoming MNL flights: SIA has had some issues with the engines on their 787-10's recently, and some of them are now grounded. This has meant that a number of 787-10 services have been subbed with other equipment types.
I flew SQ to Manila last week, and was disappointed when both flights were subbed from 787-10's to 777's with the old Y and J cabin products (2-2-2 Regional J). The catering was good and cabin crew were still wonderful (Outbound Y, inbound J) but still, it's never fun when the newest cabin products are swapped out for older products. Hopefully these issues are resolved by the time you fly.
Something to note for your upcoming MNL flights: SIA has had some issues with the engines on their 787-10's recently, and some of them are now grounded. This has meant that a number of 787-10 services have been subbed with other equipment types.
I flew SQ to Manila last week, and was disappointed when both flights were subbed from 787-10's to 777's with the old Y and J cabin products (2-2-2 Regional J). The catering was good and cabin crew were still wonderful (Outbound Y, inbound J) but still, it's never fun when the newest cabin products are swapped out for older products. Hopefully these issues are resolved by the time you fly.
I'll call in to see if I can be put on the 77W or 773 flights instead.
Apr 11, 2019, 7:51 pm
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Jul 9, 2019, 9:42 pm
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I flew this from BKK earlier this week, and agree that it is shockingly bad. For me the issue was the wrap-around portion of the seat back that extends around one side.
Besides obstructing most of the window view, I found it terribly constricting. It would have been a wonderful seat if that portion had been removed - I think the only
useful feature on it are the light switches.
Besides obstructing most of the window view, I found it terribly constricting. It would have been a wonderful seat if that portion had been removed - I think the only
useful feature on it are the light switches.
Jul 9, 2019, 10:58 pm
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I flew this from BKK earlier this week, and agree that it is shockingly bad. For me the issue was the wrap-around portion of the seat back that extends around one side.
Besides obstructing most of the window view, I found it terribly constricting. It would have been a wonderful seat if that portion had been removed - I think the only
useful feature on it are the light switches.
Besides obstructing most of the window view, I found it terribly constricting. It would have been a wonderful seat if that portion had been removed - I think the only
useful feature on it are the light switches.
Got to fly it again on a day flight few days ago , not short enough a duration .
Where one plugs in the earphones on this AC could surely have been positioned better , my arm was jabbed about the whole time I was sitting ( with earphones plugged in ) . Actually , I ended up standing most of the flight .
And again on the return .. but sat all the way this time with a pillow as buffer .. tried not to move or the other control may be touched & the seat position might be moved , etcetera
The window is just too far away especially with the seat belt on .. Being in 11A .
As for the windows , with the auto shading , one cannot have them partially closed now , only varied shades or blackout for whole window
. With manual ones , one can have them open or partially shut .An opportunity for a great seat design has been missed by SIA .
Seems crew & other staff have received negative feedback
Last edited by FlyerEC; Jul 14, 2019 at 6:18 am