SQ wants nonstop US flights again
Jun 17, 2015 | 3:38 pm
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SQ wants nonstop US flights again
They can't find an airplane that can do it profitably. Also, "Goh didn’t identify the U.S. cities for direct flights by Singapore Air in future."
SQ has trouble getting more fifth-freedom rights, because the way I see it what can they give away to get more? It sounds like they've asked but haven't been able to get other countries to budge on giving them more stopovers with full traffic rights. The non-SIN hub in India might work.
One answer he gave was to partner up with VA and NZ, not sure how that would work for flights to the U.S. though.
Whatever tech advances happen, SIN will always be a poorer hub for connections to the U.S. when you have the likes of HKG, ICN, and NRT/HND.
SQ has trouble getting more fifth-freedom rights, because the way I see it what can they give away to get more? It sounds like they've asked but haven't been able to get other countries to budge on giving them more stopovers with full traffic rights. The non-SIN hub in India might work.
One answer he gave was to partner up with VA and NZ, not sure how that would work for flights to the U.S. though.
Whatever tech advances happen, SIN will always be a poorer hub for connections to the U.S. when you have the likes of HKG, ICN, and NRT/HND.
Jun 17, 2015 | 5:38 pm
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...longest-flight
I had the good fortune of flying on SQ21 shortly before that route ended. If given the opportunity to repeat the experience I would do it in a heartbeat, or possibly even immediately jump back on what would have been SQ22 and do a RTW circumnavigation trip in less than 48 hours.
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I had the good fortune of flying on SQ21 shortly before that route ended. If given the opportunity to repeat the experience I would do it in a heartbeat, or possibly even immediately jump back on what would have been SQ22 and do a RTW circumnavigation trip in less than 48 hours.
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Jun 17, 2015 | 8:42 pm
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Wonder if they've considered a CX style SIN-YVR-EWR or SIN-YVR-ORD or something like that? Would the 77W have the legs to do YVR-SIN non-stop economically? It is slightly shorter than HKG-JFK, but wouldn't use a polar route so could be challenging westbound?
Noting SIN-SFO shorter than SYD-DFW and only slightly longer than DXB-LAX, yet yields don't seem to be good enough to support ULH using A380.
Noting SIN-SFO shorter than SYD-DFW and only slightly longer than DXB-LAX, yet yields don't seem to be good enough to support ULH using A380.
Jun 17, 2015 | 11:53 pm
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Wonder if they've considered a CX style SIN-YVR-EWR or SIN-YVR-ORD or something like that? Would the 77W have the legs to do YVR-SIN non-stop economically? It is slightly shorter than HKG-JFK, but wouldn't use a polar route so could be challenging westbound?
Noting SIN-SFO shorter than SYD-DFW and only slightly longer than DXB-LAX, yet yields don't seem to be good enough to support ULH using A380.
Noting SIN-SFO shorter than SYD-DFW and only slightly longer than DXB-LAX, yet yields don't seem to be good enough to support ULH using A380.
2) I think that 789 would be the most viable option direct to the U.S.
Aside from that hkg-Yvr is a very traffic heavy segment, traffic for sin-Yvr is significantly lighter. If sq is allowed sin-hkg-yvr, they would be laughing to the bank.
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Jun 18, 2015 | 12:04 am
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SQ wants nonstop US flights again
Here is the link:
http://www.ausbt.com.au/singapore-airlines-eager-to-restart-new-york-los-angeles-flights
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-17/singapore-air-yearns-to-reclaim-title-of-world-s-longest-flight
Can't you believe this? They wants to resume nonstop to New York & Los Angeles. Right now, they don't have aircraft availability. Right now, he will talks to Boeing or Airbus. If he will order new 778X or 779X.
http://www.ausbt.com.au/singapore-airlines-eager-to-restart-new-york-los-angeles-flights
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-17/singapore-air-yearns-to-reclaim-title-of-world-s-longest-flight
Can't you believe this? They wants to resume nonstop to New York & Los Angeles. Right now, they don't have aircraft availability. Right now, he will talks to Boeing or Airbus. If he will order new 778X or 779X.
Jun 18, 2015 | 1:16 am
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Here is the link:
http://www.ausbt.com.au/singapore-ai...ngeles-flights
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...longest-flight
Can't you believe this? They wants to resume nonstop to New York & Los Angeles. Right now, they don't have aircraft availability. Right now, he will talks to Boeing or Airbus. If he will order new 778X or 779X.
http://www.ausbt.com.au/singapore-ai...ngeles-flights
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...longest-flight
Can't you believe this? They wants to resume nonstop to New York & Los Angeles. Right now, they don't have aircraft availability. Right now, he will talks to Boeing or Airbus. If he will order new 778X or 779X.
Jun 18, 2015 | 2:11 am
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All pie in the sky thinking, but I was thinking YVR not as a route in its own right, but if they had fifth freedom rights to sell between US & Canada (like CX do between YVR & JFK), it would be a convenient transit point enroute to somewhere like NYC or Chicago. Of course to be successful would need to expand codeshare arrangements with AC...
Jun 18, 2015 | 3:32 am
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All pie in the sky thinking, but I was thinking YVR not as a route in its own right, but if they had fifth freedom rights to sell between US & Canada (like CX do between YVR & JFK), it would be a convenient transit point enroute to somewhere like NYC or Chicago. Of course to be successful would need to expand codeshare arrangements with AC...
- SFO-JFK
- LAX-JFK
- LHR-JFK
YVR isn't the best point of transit to access the US IMO.
FYI: SQ wanted to expand flights into YVR, however YVR didn't grant SQ more landing rights and instead YVR steadily cut SQ's landing permit and that is one of the reason why the route got terminated. I believe CX's slots at YVR and ability to fly to JFK stem from air canada's desire for increased landing rights in HKG (as I said a very heavy route).
If possible, I would want SQ to increase their presence in China and use China as a hub to the US instead of Canada.
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Jun 18, 2015 | 4:21 am
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Jun 18, 2015 | 5:21 am
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If they did something similar a la Qantas and Emirates. I think it would have been a success. My POV as an arm chair CEO.
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Jun 18, 2015 | 5:50 am
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YVR isn't the best point of transit to access the US IMO.
FYI: SQ wanted to expand flights into YVR, however YVR didn't grant SQ more landing rights and instead YVR steadily cut SQ's landing permit and that is one of the reason why the route got terminated. I believe CX's slots at YVR and ability to fly to JFK stem from air canada's desire for increased landing rights in HKG (as I said a very heavy route).
FYI: SQ wanted to expand flights into YVR, however YVR didn't grant SQ more landing rights and instead YVR steadily cut SQ's landing permit and that is one of the reason why the route got terminated. I believe CX's slots at YVR and ability to fly to JFK stem from air canada's desire for increased landing rights in HKG (as I said a very heavy route).
The main reason I suggested YVR is that it is (at least based on what CX flies between HKG & JFK) within the range of the 77W and there's no chance of SQ ever flying SFO or LAX - JFK because of cabotage. At least there's some fifth freedom precedents between YVR & the US. Granted that QF fly LAX-JFK but they have feed to/from three flights - A380's or 747s from SYD, MEL & BNE - not just a single point of origin like SIN ... unless they could get the OK for oncarriage of perhaps VA & NZ pax ...
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Jun 18, 2015 | 6:01 am
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Especially now that SQ divested their VS interest but have picked up nearly a quarter of VA.
Jun 18, 2015 | 7:40 am
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If we are talking all pie in the sky thinking. I'd rather have SQ flying these three segments:
YVR isn't the best point of transit to access the US IMO.
FYI: SQ wanted to expand flights into YVR, however YVR didn't grant SQ more landing rights and instead YVR steadily cut SQ's landing permit and that is one of the reason why the route got terminated. I believe CX's slots at YVR and ability to fly to JFK stem from air canada's desire for increased landing rights in HKG (as I said a very heavy route).
If possible, I would want SQ to increase their presence in China and use China as a hub to the US instead of Canada.
- SFO-JFK
- LAX-JFK
- LHR-JFK
YVR isn't the best point of transit to access the US IMO.
FYI: SQ wanted to expand flights into YVR, however YVR didn't grant SQ more landing rights and instead YVR steadily cut SQ's landing permit and that is one of the reason why the route got terminated. I believe CX's slots at YVR and ability to fly to JFK stem from air canada's desire for increased landing rights in HKG (as I said a very heavy route).
If possible, I would want SQ to increase their presence in China and use China as a hub to the US instead of Canada.
Also when SQ ended SIN-ICN-YVR that was due to both low traffic and some sourness in South Korea or Canada over whether this flight was for SIN-YVR flows or it was really serving ICN-YVR right?
China would be an ideal hub but I don't see Beijing handing CAAC airlines' prestige routes over to SQ. Is that what the MU thing was partly about? China-U.S. flights are only just starting to expand and they probably want more time to mature and improve their product first.
Jun 18, 2015 | 8:25 am
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IIRC I think CX or Hong Kong, rather, got one fifth-freedom right from Canada while AC/CP got fifth-freedom rights beyond HKG, for MNL and BKK. Given that AC is unlikely to need fifth-freedom rights beyond SIN I don't know what else they would want.
Also when SQ ended SIN-ICN-YVR that was due to both low traffic and some sourness in South Korea or Canada over whether this flight was for SIN-YVR flows or it was really serving ICN-YVR right?
Also when SQ ended SIN-ICN-YVR that was due to both low traffic and some sourness in South Korea or Canada over whether this flight was for SIN-YVR flows or it was really serving ICN-YVR right?
As for SIN-YVR, because SQ still flies about 3-4 flights a day SIN-ICN, I don't know if that logic is feasible. However there is some truth that one sector is heavier than the other.
Additionally, SQ also needed to evaluate the situation especially if an airport wants to reduce landing rights from 7 days a week to 4-5 days a week.
China would be an ideal hub but I don't see Beijing handing CAAC airlines' prestige routes over to SQ. Is that what the MU thing was partly about? China-U.S. flights are only just starting to expand and they probably want more time to mature and improve their product first.
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