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6. (1969) You are in Guam and need to get to Dar es Salaam. Thankfully, this can be accomplished via just two 2-stop flights, each on a different airline. Interestingly, the same aircraft type will be used on both flights. Please identify the complete routing for both flights, the two airlines and the aircraft type common to both flights.
Okay, Guam I know something about. For some reason it's always held a fascination for me, even 15 years before I was stationed there.
Options are limited in 1969, so:
TW 707 GUM-OKA-TPE-HKG
AI 707 HKG-BOM-ADD-DAR
Not a bad guess, but in checking whether Air India served Dar, my schedule showed no service from India other than an East African VC10.
On a positive note, the 707 is the aircraft of record, and TWA is involved in this itinerary.
Unfortunately, outside of GUM and DAR, none of the other airports you've listed in your routings are relevant to the itinerary.
Still, now that they're out of the way, you can proceed with greater clarity.
Good luck!
6. (1969) You are in Guam and need to get to Dar es Salaam. Thankfully, this can be accomplished via just two 2-stop flights, each on a different airline. Interestingly, the same aircraft type will be used on both flights. Please identify the complete routing for both flights, the two airlines and the aircraft type common to both flights.
Okay, Guam I know something about. For some reason it's always held a fascination for me, even 15 years before I was stationed there.
Options are limited in 1969, so:
TW 707 GUM-OKA-TPE-HKG
AI 707 HKG-BOM-ADD-DAR
Not a bad guess, but in checking whether Air India served Dar, my schedule showed no service from India other than an East African VC10.
On a positive note, the 707 is the aircraft of record, and TWA is involved in this itinerary.
Unfortunately, outside of GUM and DAR, none of the other airports you've listed in your routings are relevant to the itinerary.
Still, now that they're out of the way, you can proceed with greater clarity.
Good luck!
TW 707 GUM-HNL-LAX-JFK
PA 707 JFK-ACC-DLA-EBB-DAR
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6. (1969) You are in Guam and need to get to Dar es Salaam. Thankfully, this can be accomplished via just two 2-stop flights, each on a different airline. Interestingly, the same aircraft type will be used on both flights. Please identify the complete routing for both flights, the two airlines and the aircraft type common to both flights.
This actually makes it a lot easier! TW is involved, they didn't fly to DAR, and we've eliminated all the points they served west of Guam. Therefore, we must be heading eastward. PA had an extensive network in Africa in those days, so now it's going to be a matter of choosing the correct stops.
TW 707 GUM-HNL-LAX-JFK
PA 707 JFK-ACC-DLA-EBB-DAR
Let me help you out here. TWA did indeed fly to DAR in 1969, as did PA. And, although PA had a much larger African network than TW, in this instance it's Pan Am we're departing out of Guam with, then connecting to TWA. The overall connection works much better than doing it the other way around.
Of the cities you've picked to route through in your answer, rather surprisingly only JFK is correct. Indeed, it's the connection point.
So armed with this additional information, and again benefitting from the power of elimination, I expect your next submission will be much closer to the mark - if not spot on.
Good luck!
This actually makes it a lot easier! TW is involved, they didn't fly to DAR, and we've eliminated all the points they served west of Guam. Therefore, we must be heading eastward. PA had an extensive network in Africa in those days, so now it's going to be a matter of choosing the correct stops.
TW 707 GUM-HNL-LAX-JFK
PA 707 JFK-ACC-DLA-EBB-DAR
Let me help you out here. TWA did indeed fly to DAR in 1969, as did PA. And, although PA had a much larger African network than TW, in this instance it's Pan Am we're departing out of Guam with, then connecting to TWA. The overall connection works much better than doing it the other way around.
Of the cities you've picked to route through in your answer, rather surprisingly only JFK is correct. Indeed, it's the connection point.
So armed with this additional information, and again benefitting from the power of elimination, I expect your next submission will be much closer to the mark - if not spot on.
Good luck!
Mar 17, 2026 | 3:23 pm
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3- if not IAH, the connecting point between PA and TE must have been Dallas/DFW
Pan Am’s 707s were long gone by 1987, and even though Seat 2A didn’t explicitly rule out the standard 727 when I alluded to it earlier, I’m operating on the premise that it’s also off the table here … I have zero idea as to the provenance of a Pan Am 737-200, but that’s pretty much all that’s left in terms of a U.S.-built jet out of MIA
Pan Am’s 707s were long gone by 1987, and even though Seat 2A didn’t explicitly rule out the standard 727 when I alluded to it earlier, I’m operating on the premise that it’s also off the table here … I have zero idea as to the provenance of a Pan Am 737-200, but that’s pretty much all that’s left in terms of a U.S.-built jet out of MIA
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7. (1969) … how are you gonna get from Halifax to Auckland?
Your travel agent has come up with a solution. It involves three flights on three airlines. The first flight is nonstop (Thank God, eh?!) but the second flight makes three enroute stops. After a three hour layover, you’ll connect to a nonstop flight to Auckland. The second and third flights are operated by the same type of aircraft. The first flight is not.
Your travel agent has come up with a solution. It involves three flights on three airlines. The first flight is nonstop (Thank God, eh?!) but the second flight makes three enroute stops. After a three hour layover, you’ll connect to a nonstop flight to Auckland. The second and third flights are operated by the same type of aircraft. The first flight is not.
PPT-AKL on a 707 would have been Pan Am
in 1969, I have to think Air Canada’s YHZ-BDA service still featured a Vickers Vanguard
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3. (1987) What a day of travel this is gonna be! You’ll be traveling from Quito, Ecuador to Papeete, Tahiti. Three nonstop flights will be involved, aboard three different airlines. Each flight will be operated by a different type of aircraft. IMPORTANT NOTE: None of the connections will be in Los Angeles. Please identify the three airlines, the complete routing and the three aircraft types.
if not IAH, the connecting point between PA and TE must have been Dallas/DFW
Pan Am’s 707s were long gone by 1987, and even though Seat 2A didn’t explicitly rule out the standard 727 when I alluded to it earlier, I’m operating on the premise that it’s also off the table here … I have zero idea as to the provenance of a Pan Am 737-200, but that’s pretty much all that’s left in terms of a U.S.-built jet out of MIA
Way to stick with it, J! A shining example of the journey from Clueless to Correct! Here's your itinerary -
Ecuatoriana EU 060 Quito (UIO) Miami (MIA) 707-320 Fr Su
Pan Am PA Miami (MIA) 200p – 420p Dallas (DFW) 737-200
Air New Zealand TE 001 Dallas (DFW) 840p – 235a Papeete (PPT) 747-200 Su
if not IAH, the connecting point between PA and TE must have been Dallas/DFW
Pan Am’s 707s were long gone by 1987, and even though Seat 2A didn’t explicitly rule out the standard 727 when I alluded to it earlier, I’m operating on the premise that it’s also off the table here … I have zero idea as to the provenance of a Pan Am 737-200, but that’s pretty much all that’s left in terms of a U.S.-built jet out of MIA
Way to stick with it, J! A shining example of the journey from Clueless to Correct! Here's your itinerary -
Ecuatoriana EU 060 Quito (UIO) Miami (MIA) 707-320 Fr Su
Pan Am PA Miami (MIA) 200p – 420p Dallas (DFW) 737-200
Air New Zealand TE 001 Dallas (DFW) 840p – 235a Papeete (PPT) 747-200 Su
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4. (1987) You need to fly from Seoul, South Korea to Guayaquil, Ecuador. Unfortunately, there are no easy ways to do so. At least you won’t have to connect through Tokyo. Your itinerary will involve three nonstop flights, each operated by a different airline, with each airline operating an aircraft built by a different manufacturer. You know the drill by now. Please provide all the relevant information.
Dusting this one off for a new day:I will hold off on a new guess for #3 until we get a ruling on the KE vs SEL guess posted upthread
UA SEL-SFO L15
PA SFO-MIA 747
EU MIA-GYE D10
An excellent guess, and a most plausible possibility. Unfortunately, per the schedule used to reference this question, these flights and itinerary won't work. It's kinda surprising that Miami's not in there, and indeed it could have been, but then the three different a/c manufacturers parameters could have been met.
However, you have identified the three aircraft involved in this itinerary, and the 747 is operated by PA.
Please, guess again.
LH SEL-FRA D10
PA FRA-JFK 747
Faucett JFK-GYE L15 (kind of grasping at straws here but maybe a Peruvian carrier would stop in Ecuador on the way to Lima?)
Mar 17, 2026 | 7:13 pm
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7. (1969) … how are you gonna get from Halifax to Auckland?
[color=#000000]Your travel agent has come up with a solution. It involves three flights on three airlines. The first flight is nonstop (Thank God, eh?!) but the second flight makes three enroute stops. After a three hour layover, you’ll connect to a nonstop flight to Auckland. The second and third flights are operated by the same type of aircraft.
The first flight is not. the three-stop second flight clearly suggests the Qantas “Fiesta Route” 707 service between Bermuda/BDA and Papeete/PPT; as we have discussed several times over the years, this flight operated via Nassau/NAS, Mexico City/MEX, and Acapulco/ACA
PPT-AKL on a 707 would have been Pan Am
in 1969, I have to think Air Canada’s YHZ-BDA service still featured a Vickers Vanguard
Close enough.
Air Canada AC 686 Halifax (YHZ) 1145a – 135p Bermuda (BDA) DC-8-40 Sa
Qantas QF 581 Bermuda (BDA) 430p – 540p Nassau (NAS) 630p – 850p Mexico City (MEX) 1000p – 1055p Acapulco (ACA) 1155p – 415a Papeete (PPT) 707-320 Sa
Pan American PA 815 Papeete (PPT) 715a – 1040a Auckland (AKL) 707-320 Su
[color=#000000]Your travel agent has come up with a solution. It involves three flights on three airlines. The first flight is nonstop (Thank God, eh?!) but the second flight makes three enroute stops. After a three hour layover, you’ll connect to a nonstop flight to Auckland. The second and third flights are operated by the same type of aircraft.
The first flight is not. the three-stop second flight clearly suggests the Qantas “Fiesta Route” 707 service between Bermuda/BDA and Papeete/PPT; as we have discussed several times over the years, this flight operated via Nassau/NAS, Mexico City/MEX, and Acapulco/ACA
PPT-AKL on a 707 would have been Pan Am
in 1969, I have to think Air Canada’s YHZ-BDA service still featured a Vickers Vanguard
Close enough.
Air Canada AC 686 Halifax (YHZ) 1145a – 135p Bermuda (BDA) DC-8-40 Sa
Qantas QF 581 Bermuda (BDA) 430p – 540p Nassau (NAS) 630p – 850p Mexico City (MEX) 1000p – 1055p Acapulco (ACA) 1155p – 415a Papeete (PPT) 707-320 Sa
Pan American PA 815 Papeete (PPT) 715a – 1040a Auckland (AKL) 707-320 Su
Mar 17, 2026 | 7:21 pm
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4. (1987) You need to fly from Seoul, South Korea to Guayaquil, Ecuador. Unfortunately, there are no easy ways to do so. At least you wont have to connect through Tokyo. Your itinerary will involve three nonstop flights, each operated by a different airline, with each airline operating an aircraft built by a different manufacturer. You know the drill by now. Please provide all the relevant information.
A PA 747 not touching MIA and by 1987 the Pacific division was gone to UA. Perhaps this itinerary went west as opposed to east. Thinking something like:
LH SEL-FRA D10
PA FRA-JFK 747
Faucett JFK-GYE L15 (kind of grasping at straws here but maybe a Peruvian carrier would stop in Ecuador on the way to Lima?)
No....... the itinerary definitely went east. The L-1011 was the standard model (Did Faucett ever actually operate the -500? Also, I may be wrong, but I don't recall them ever serving New York
Here's a couple of hints though...
No South American airlines are involved in this itinerary
The first flight was operated with a DC-10
A PA 747 not touching MIA and by 1987 the Pacific division was gone to UA. Perhaps this itinerary went west as opposed to east. Thinking something like:
LH SEL-FRA D10
PA FRA-JFK 747
Faucett JFK-GYE L15 (kind of grasping at straws here but maybe a Peruvian carrier would stop in Ecuador on the way to Lima?)
No....... the itinerary definitely went east. The L-1011 was the standard model (Did Faucett ever actually operate the -500? Also, I may be wrong, but I don't recall them ever serving New York
Here's a couple of hints though...
No South American airlines are involved in this itinerary
The first flight was operated with a DC-10
Mar 17, 2026 | 7:23 pm
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Decades ago, a few years after the demise of PA, I knew someone whose retired father was a retired PA 732 pilot based in Europe. Great for family life as his father was usually home by the end of the day. I seem to recall PA's 737 base was in FRA? I imagine the 737 fleet must have come from
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For #4 I thought the L1011-500 had previously been confirmed upthread. Standard L1011 changes things.
SEL-LAX KE D10
LAX-GUA PA 747 (seems like way too much aircraft for the market but what the heck? I think that when UA acquired PA's Latin America network a few years later the deal included LAX-GUA/SAL)
GUA-GYE EA L10
SEL-LAX KE D10
LAX-GUA PA 747 (seems like way too much aircraft for the market but what the heck? I think that when UA acquired PA's Latin America network a few years later the deal included LAX-GUA/SAL)
GUA-GYE EA L10
Mar 18, 2026 | 12:12 am
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For #4 I thought the L1011-500 had previously been confirmed upthread. Standard L1011 changes things.
SEL-LAX KE D10
LAX-GUA PA 747 (seems like way too much aircraft for the market but what the heck? I think that when UA acquired PA's Latin America network a few years later the deal included LAX-GUA/SAL)
GUA-GYE EA L10
SEL-LAX KE D10
LAX-GUA PA 747 (seems like way too much aircraft for the market but what the heck? I think that when UA acquired PA's Latin America network a few years later the deal included LAX-GUA/SAL)
GUA-GYE EA L10
Thinking of other L1011 operators of the day, it should be tap in time about now...
Good luck!
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6. (1969) You are in Guam and need to get to Dar es Salaam. Thankfully, this can be accomplished via just two 2-stop flights, each on a different airline. Interestingly, the same aircraft type will be used on both flights. Please identify the complete routing for both flights, the two airlines and the aircraft type common to both flights.
This actually makes it a lot easier! TW is involved, they didn't fly to DAR, and we've eliminated all the points they served west of Guam. Therefore, we must be heading eastward. PA had an extensive network in Africa in those days, so now it's going to be a matter of choosing the correct stops.
TW 707 GUM-HNL-LAX-JFK
PA 707 JFK-ACC-DLA-EBB-DAR
Let me help you out here. TWA did indeed fly to DAR in 1969, as did PA. And, although PA had a much larger African network than TW, in this instance it's Pan Am we're departing out of Guam with, then connecting to TWA. The overall connection works much better than doing it the other way around.
Of the cities you've picked to route through in your answer, rather surprisingly only JFK is correct. Indeed, it's the connection point.
So armed with this additional information, and again benefitting from the power of elimination, I expect your next submission will be much closer to the mark - if not spot on.
Good luck!
This actually makes it a lot easier! TW is involved, they didn't fly to DAR, and we've eliminated all the points they served west of Guam. Therefore, we must be heading eastward. PA had an extensive network in Africa in those days, so now it's going to be a matter of choosing the correct stops.
TW 707 GUM-HNL-LAX-JFK
PA 707 JFK-ACC-DLA-EBB-DAR
Let me help you out here. TWA did indeed fly to DAR in 1969, as did PA. And, although PA had a much larger African network than TW, in this instance it's Pan Am we're departing out of Guam with, then connecting to TWA. The overall connection works much better than doing it the other way around.
Of the cities you've picked to route through in your answer, rather surprisingly only JFK is correct. Indeed, it's the connection point.
So armed with this additional information, and again benefitting from the power of elimination, I expect your next submission will be much closer to the mark - if not spot on.
Good luck!
PA 707 GUM-HND-SFO-JFK
TW 707 JFW-ORY-CAI-DAR
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4. (1987) You need to fly from Seoul, South Korea to Guayaquil, Ecuador. Unfortunately, there are no easy ways to do so. At least you wont have to connect through Tokyo. Your itinerary will involve three nonstop flights, each operated by a different airline, with each airline operating an aircraft built by a different manufacturer. You know the drill by now. Please provide all the relevant information.
You're on tbe right track here with Korean's DC-10 starting things off. And although it didn't fly into LAX, LA is in the itinerary. Eastern is not. Neither is GUA.
Thinking of other L1011 operators of the day, it should be tap in time about now...
You're on tbe right track here with Korean's DC-10 starting things off. And although it didn't fly into LAX, LA is in the itinerary. Eastern is not. Neither is GUA.
Thinking of other L1011 operators of the day, it should be tap in time about now...
KE SEL-HNL D10
PA HNL-LAX 747
DL LAX-GYE L10
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6. (1969) You are in Guam and need to get to Dar es Salaam. Thankfully, this can be accomplished via just two 2-stop flights, each on a different airline. Interestingly, the same aircraft type will be used on both flights. Please identify the complete routing for both flights, the two airlines and the aircraft type common to both flights.
Hmm. No HNL and no LAX. Let's try this, since I don't think we're going via SGN, either:
PA 707 GUM-HND-SFO-JFK
TW 707 JFW-ORY-CAI-DAR
Well, you've got the first stop down, that being Tokyo Haneda or TYO as I believe it was designated back then.
Alas, as reasonable as SFO sounds for the next stop, it was not.
As for TWA, I'm with ya - ORY and CAI seem the most logical picks, and yet... NOooooo! Neither of them are!
That said, with those off the table, there may be a glimmer of light at the end of the runway to the actual routing.
Good luck, D
Hmm. No HNL and no LAX. Let's try this, since I don't think we're going via SGN, either:
PA 707 GUM-HND-SFO-JFK
TW 707 JFW-ORY-CAI-DAR
Well, you've got the first stop down, that being Tokyo Haneda or TYO as I believe it was designated back then.
Alas, as reasonable as SFO sounds for the next stop, it was not.
As for TWA, I'm with ya - ORY and CAI seem the most logical picks, and yet... NOooooo! Neither of them are!
That said, with those off the table, there may be a glimmer of light at the end of the runway to the actual routing.
Good luck, D
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4. (1987) You need to fly from Seoul, South Korea to Guayaquil, Ecuador. Unfortunately, there are no easy ways to do so. At least you wont have to connect through Tokyo. Your itinerary will involve three nonstop flights, each operated by a different airline, with each airline operating an aircraft built by a different manufacturer. You know the drill by now. Please provide all the relevant information.
If 1st flight is a KE D10, a PA 747 is involved with LAX as the 2nd connection point, I'll offer (with a deducing guess for 3rd airline)
KE SEL-HNL D10
PA HNL-LAX 747
DL LAX-GYE L10
You've got the Correct routing, however the PA 747 is the final flight. Delta is not involved in this routing, which means the L-1011 operator we're looking for between HNL and LAX is ____________.
You got this, YVR!
If 1st flight is a KE D10, a PA 747 is involved with LAX as the 2nd connection point, I'll offer (with a deducing guess for 3rd airline)
KE SEL-HNL D10
PA HNL-LAX 747
DL LAX-GYE L10
You've got the Correct routing, however the PA 747 is the final flight. Delta is not involved in this routing, which means the L-1011 operator we're looking for between HNL and LAX is ____________.
You got this, YVR!