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Old Jan 1, 2026 | 4:40 pm
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Originally Posted by xenole
Still more substantial than Finnair's 3 pieces of fruit in a box on some flights
Even the fruitplate SPML on Hel-Arn ist better than that. Everywhere else a warm breakfast. Well there are domestic and Baltic flights with no business class thus no breakfast.
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Old Jan 1, 2026 | 4:41 pm
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From BA's Club World menus:

Originally Posted by British Airways
Our Club beds are famously flat, but you can't say the same about our breakfasts.
Originally Posted by PLeblond
So what is the competiton offering?
The competition's breakfast can be excellent. This is the Full LNER (with spinach instead of baked beans), as available to and from Newcastle.



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Old Jan 1, 2026 | 5:21 pm
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If lner marketing team have any sense they’ll be straight on this. The service on LNER outshines BA and its fairly miserable crew every time.

however, the current first class pricing structure does mean even the inconvenience of Newcastle airports location and a trip on the Lizzie or HEX represents poor value vs a quick BA hop
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Old Jan 2, 2026 | 1:02 am
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Originally Posted by bd95
Otherwise Im connecting inbound from a TATL flight. Id rather they ditched the hit brekkie from the short east coast TATL flights (especially those departing east coast in the early evening) as Id rather have my hot breakfast on the connecting flight and have more sleep! We are constantly told that the reason for keeping CE is for connecting business class passengers,- and this is surely a key reason!
Another great point which again illustrates the complete lack of thought for the customer need. One doesnt always have time for breakfast in the lounge if at or close to MCT from an inbound overnight flight when the whole point is to maximise rest.
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Old Jan 2, 2026 | 1:15 am
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Originally Posted by Britflyer18
From a crew perspectivethis will save a lot of time when you have club Europe loads of up to 48. If you want a hot breakfast you have access to a lounge before you board.
Great! Will this make the flights shorter?
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Old Jan 2, 2026 | 1:49 am
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Originally Posted by Swanhunter
In this, and a number of other cases with BA, times aren't that tough. It's about delivering savings to hit bonus targets.

Lipstick on a pig Airline.
This in spades. As someone once said "you show me the incentives, I'll show you the outcomes".
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Old Jan 2, 2026 | 1:58 am
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Originally Posted by Britflyer18
From a crew perspectivethis will save a lot of time when you have club Europe loads of up to 48. If you want a hot breakfast you have access to a lounge before you board.
Im just really confused what the crew want to do instead in the time theyve apparently saved. There is no suggestion that the current system is in any way impacting safety-critical functions. So how is this mystery time going to be used?
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Old Jan 2, 2026 | 2:16 am
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Originally Posted by Britflyer18
From a crew perspective…this will save a lot of time when you have club Europe loads of up to 48. If you want a hot breakfast you have access to a lounge before you board.
Having been Crew myself I don’t believe this saves (hardly) any time to be honest. The only thing which takes slightly longer, and I am talking seconds, is putting the hot entrees on to/into the trolley that’s it. You still are serving a tray, offer a pastry, drinks etc.

You need to be organised and plan ahead that’s all, maybe that’s what the minority of Crew are struggling with.
I mentioned before I have seen variations of service galore in recent times , including meal order taken on the ground in MAN on a club world meal order pad. All hand run “with a galley operator”, needless to say they never finished the service.
It’s a meal and a drink, all hands on deck, job done no problem, well it shouldn’t be a problem.

on a side note, at last and finally, the “managers” as they are called seen sense and reverting to a service which worked very well for decades rest of the day, either meals followed by drinks or drinks, meal and drinks, depending on route, rather than wanting to serve everything at the same time which was messy and took forever. That was another invention they hailed a success but finally they given in as this worked very well in Eurofleet and Mixed Fleet days but needed to change apparently, with Heathrow Cabin Crew starting. They call it a change and omit to mention that it is going full circle, says it all really.

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Old Jan 2, 2026 | 2:27 am
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The only routes I can see this helping on is the ex outstation nightstopping aircraft on the first run back to LHR. JER/MAN wasnt a problem as they got a bacon roll, but AMS/CDG etc that got a full hot was a little more challenging.
Because of the ways the trolleys are set up to accommodate chill boxes containing hots and fruit etc it makes it really difficult to configure them in a way that makes the service easy to deliver. The on the ground prep required to set up trays and trolleys etc is rather higher than when youre just getting on an aircraft at LHR, or one that hasnt nightstopped. This isnt a problem on low club load flights but higher ones could be a challenge. What you often find was that crew wanted to cut corners (for example, by putting the hots in a box on top rather than posting them onto the trays in the trolley) in order to save time.
Of course this isnt a problem departing LHR as you dont have the issue with the chill boxes so its just a case of hots on trays and go, but some crew did still struggle with this for unknown reasons.
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Old Jan 2, 2026 | 2:39 am
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Originally Posted by MFCC
The only routes I can see this helping on is the ex outstation nightstopping aircraft on the first run back to LHR. JER/MAN wasnt a problem as they got a bacon roll, but AMS/CDG etc that got a full hot was a little more challenging.
Because of the ways the trolleys are set up to accommodate chill boxes containing hots and fruit etc it makes it really difficult to configure them in a way that makes the service easy to deliver. The on the ground prep required to set up trays and trolleys etc is rather higher than when youre just getting on an aircraft at LHR, or one that hasnt nightstopped. This isnt a problem on low club load flights but higher ones could be a challenge. What you often find was that crew wanted to cut corners (for example, by putting the hots in a box on top rather than posting them onto the trays in the trolley) in order to save time.
Of course this isnt a problem departing LHR as you dont have the issue with the chill boxes so its just a case of hots on trays and go, but some crew did still struggle with this for unknown reasons.

Yes remember spending plenty a times on my hands and knees before and during boarding re organising trays and getting them ready for the service, butter and fruit pots/yoghurts on them, trays all shifted around and loading the ovens up downroute, oh the glamour.

As you say its the minority of Crew which struggles/struggled but even on the AMS/CDG /DUB with high club loads it is doable with a hot breakfast, and so is BHD and NCL. On the express routes things were over complicated and not helped by sticky ham and cheese croissants which you had to scrape off the foils taking time, bacon roll or a nice muffin would have been much easier to serve and nicer to have by Customers.

Yes some European/continental Customers are not a fan of the full hot breakfast but that could have been addressed by offering maybe a cold plate like they do as third choice. Not having flown shorthaul for a while with competitors like KLM or LH for a while I dont know what they offer, my guess on LH is a cold plate of meat and cheese and generally theres no choice, but then again their Business class cabins have never been near the capacity BA is carrying in Club Europe at times.

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Old Jan 2, 2026 | 3:17 am
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Originally Posted by Never Stansted
Im just really confused what the crew want to do instead in the time theyve apparently saved. There is no suggestion that the current system is in any way impacting safety-critical functions. So how is this mystery time going to be used?
Out in the aisle performing the Dance of the Seven Veils, the way it is described
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Old Jan 2, 2026 | 3:17 am
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Originally Posted by KARFA
I dont pay for a club seat to save the crew time. This almost sounds like ba corporate talk why do you even need anything to eat onboard? you can eat in the lounge. and with all this reduced service the crew can spend more time with the passengers.

edit: the comment does remind me of a post one FTer made during the trial in 2025. Confronted with a reduced service and no hot breakfast the FTer rightly complained, only for the cc to basically tell them off and more or less say it was their fault for not eating in the lounge beforehand. Sadly there are a minority of cc who seem to hold these attitudes - one wonders why they want to be cc when they appear to hold their customers in such contempt
Just when you think that you have heard the lot, along comes something that takes one's breath away for its sheer nerve and downright cheek. How dare they say that! I have no recollection of the trial but clearly not enough people did not kick off about it. When I think what used to be served on the CDG runs and then this nonsense. What I object to even more is that they would insult our intelligence by telling us that was what we all wanted in the first place. Had Cabin Crew told me that I should have eaten in the Lounge; the fur would really have flown. It is so much more sensible to just agree on "Yes, isnt it dreadful - do complain to BA. They never listen to us".

I must confess, however, that I have absolutely no intention of ever taking a breakfast flight as one of the joys of being retired is that I do not have to. I am just concerned that this is the thin end of the wedge.
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Old Jan 2, 2026 | 3:22 am
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When you look at the competitive environment which other European carriers are serving a hot breakfast on their shortest European routes? Answer = none.

BA has always actually been a leader (shock horror) in breakfast catering on its shortest flights. No way you will see a hot option on AF or KL or LH etc.

AF will offer you some fruit, yoghurt and a pastry. KLM some refined carbs in a cardboard box. And LH some cold dish. And to be fair, this is what these airlines will continue to offer throughout the day. Also worth mentioning, most of these airlines do not have an option b on the menu except for take it or leave it.
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Old Jan 2, 2026 | 3:23 am
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Originally Posted by choosethedrew
Out in the aisle performing the Dance of the Seven Veils, the way it is described
I am just having a really hard time imagining me in such a situation. More like the Dance of the Seven Army Blankets. It is interspersed with the thought of Can I help you in a Tutu performing Swan Lake. Now that would take their minds off their food!

When the service is finished on an Ultra Short Haul flight, they usually start prepping the next flight. I imagine that the Flight Deck will still get their Hot Breakfast and so the J passengers can make do with smelling that with their lumps of under-ripe fruit.
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Old Jan 2, 2026 | 3:37 am
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Originally Posted by PUCCI GALORE
I have no recollection of the trial but clearly not enough people did not kick off about it.
To aid your recollection:

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