Flying Blue Extra
Nov 6, 2025 | 6:43 pm
#76
Join Date: Mar 2025
Posts: 488
Nov 6, 2025 | 7:52 pm
#77
fomerly known as LandingGear (not Landing Gear)
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 870
Nov 7, 2025 | 12:29 am
#78
Join Date: Nov 2021
Programs: FB
Posts: 364
Indeed, I have never seen a reward upgrade available for long haul. Maybe they do it for in-Europe flights? I never check those.
I'm still wondering about the demographic here. Or is this just a way to quantify the credit card offers, justify a price hike, and hope that it will increase the appeal of the cards to people who fly less?
I'm still wondering about the demographic here. Or is this just a way to quantify the credit card offers, justify a price hike, and hope that it will increase the appeal of the cards to people who fly less?
Nov 7, 2025 | 6:47 am
#80
Join Date: Nov 2021
Programs: FB
Posts: 364
Aye, if the price raises the question 'how much would a private jet set me back anyway?', 10-20 percent off is not a bargain. On the other hand, if you are going to spend that kind of money on miles, your 600 euro investment bags you 0.25 euro cents/mile. If you do it twice in a year, it's 0.125 euro cents/mile. All you need is to have the other 2 million miles, but if you buy those at the discount rate of 1.5 cents / mile, and take a round-trip upgrade, you're paying 13,400 instead of 16,000, plus a regular economy ticket. So you get, on average, 2000 profit on just that one feature!
Nov 7, 2025 | 8:30 am
#81
fomerly known as LandingGear (not Landing Gear)
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 870
Okay, so here is where my dust settled. Not all flights with an "Air France or KLM code" (as they say) will have the option to earn XP through SAF. But all such flights will be available for the 20% XP bonus through the subscription.
Nov 7, 2025 | 8:56 am
#82
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Netherlands
Programs: KL Platinum; A3 Gold; LH Senator
Posts: 30,594
Nov 8, 2025 | 3:45 am
#83
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Franche Comt, FR, Atlanta, USA
Programs: DL DM-3MM, BA Gold, A3 Gold, AF Plat
Posts: 636
You really have to fall into a very specific sweet spot as a Platinum for this to make sense. I currently have around 350 XP worth of flights booked for the coming months. On paper it looks interesting because it gives you 70 XP in this scenario, which is basically the same value youd get if you bought that XP through SAF.
But the new 600 XP cap kills the deal for me instantly.
My Platinum renewal was last month and Im already at 102 XP. Ill add another 90 XP soon from non-AFKLM flights. That alone puts me right up against the cap. So the extra XP from this program becomes useless without a UXP.
I can see the value for Platinums who barely hit the threshold each year. For everyone else it escalates too fast. Introducing a cap and an XP accelerator in the same year feels contradictory.
But the new 600 XP cap kills the deal for me instantly.
My Platinum renewal was last month and Im already at 102 XP. Ill add another 90 XP soon from non-AFKLM flights. That alone puts me right up against the cap. So the extra XP from this program becomes useless without a UXP.
I can see the value for Platinums who barely hit the threshold each year. For everyone else it escalates too fast. Introducing a cap and an XP accelerator in the same year feels contradictory.
Nov 8, 2025 | 3:46 am
#84
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Netherlands
Programs: FB Platinum, RJ Silver, Various hotel Gold
Posts: 142
Nov 8, 2025 | 5:58 am
#85
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Netherlands
Programs: KL Platinum; A3 Gold; LH Senator
Posts: 30,594
Get over to Will XP rollover become limited in 2025? for further details or for any questions on the topic.
Note that the very last accounts were transitioned to the new maximum cap of 600XP just last week at the end of October
Dec 1, 2025 | 12:06 am
#87
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: LOP
Programs: HH Diamond, IHG Diamond Amb., Marriott Gold, FB Plat, BAEC Silver
Posts: 617
Yes, almost all Business Class promo rewards are for FB Extra members only. Even as FB Platinum member you don't have access to the most attractive Promo Rewards. Another devaluation.
Dec 1, 2025 | 12:27 am
#88
Join Date: Jun 2016
Programs: aegean gold , klm explorer
Posts: 522
Dec 1, 2025 | 12:42 am
#89
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: NUE
Programs: *G (TK elite+, LH SEN), ST elite plus (AF PFL), oneworld emerald (AT),IHG Diamond, Hilton Gold
Posts: 6,098
on the other hand side platinum and ultimate get much better availability for entry level awards - you can't have everything. I guess nobody is willing to subscribe to FB extra to get access to these promo awards.
Last edited by f0zzyNUE; Dec 1, 2025 at 12:48 am
Dec 1, 2025 | 1:35 am
#90
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Paris
Programs: FB Platinum for Life, QR Gold
Posts: 629