AA: $1.6 B renovations to LAX Terminals 4 & 5 (began 17 Oct 2018)
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#303




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And so it begins... AA @ LAX will be even more of a mess for the next few years, and I'm calling it now, ZERO chance they finish on-time (or on budget). Simply not a possibility in Los Angeles.
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Is there space in the main TBIT building for an AC? I know there is space next to the AF lounge (both north and south side) for what looks to be future lounges. But that's in the MFC. I just hope that when it does open up, the QF F lounge won't be making AA Emerald intl fliers use that lounge instead.
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The temporary TBIT AC will be physically located in the concourse between gates 151 and 153. Some of the gate seating was removed, tall partitions were installed, and the work is going on behind them. I do not know what the finished product will look like, but I work in TBIT every day.
There are not any empty lounge spaces in the main TBIT building to use at the moment. The Amex Centurion lounge temporarily moved to the old Etihad lounge when they were fixing their HVAC issues a couple years ago, but that space is now the Virgin Atlantic Clubhouse. Korean Air is also renovating their current lounge and taking over the old Los Angeles International Lounge upstairs as their new first class facility. Chase is building out their new lounge in the gateway building between TBIT and the midfield concourse…lots going on there on the lounge front at the moment.
There are not any empty lounge spaces in the main TBIT building to use at the moment. The Amex Centurion lounge temporarily moved to the old Etihad lounge when they were fixing their HVAC issues a couple years ago, but that space is now the Virgin Atlantic Clubhouse. Korean Air is also renovating their current lounge and taking over the old Los Angeles International Lounge upstairs as their new first class facility. Chase is building out their new lounge in the gateway building between TBIT and the midfield concourse…lots going on there on the lounge front at the moment.
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The temporary TBIT AC will be physically located in the concourse between gates 151 and 153. Some of the gate seating was removed, tall partitions were installed, and the work is going on behind them. I do not know what the finished product will look like, but I work in TBIT every day.
There are not any empty lounge spaces in the main TBIT building to use at the moment. The Amex Centurion lounge temporarily moved to the old Etihad lounge when they were fixing their HVAC issues a couple years ago, but that space is now the Virgin Atlantic Clubhouse. Korean Air is also renovating their current lounge and taking over the old Los Angeles International Lounge upstairs as their new first class facility. Chase is building out their new lounge in the gateway building between TBIT and the midfield concourse…lots going on there on the lounge front at the moment.
There are not any empty lounge spaces in the main TBIT building to use at the moment. The Amex Centurion lounge temporarily moved to the old Etihad lounge when they were fixing their HVAC issues a couple years ago, but that space is now the Virgin Atlantic Clubhouse. Korean Air is also renovating their current lounge and taking over the old Los Angeles International Lounge upstairs as their new first class facility. Chase is building out their new lounge in the gateway building between TBIT and the midfield concourse…lots going on there on the lounge front at the moment.
#307

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So it looks like AA is trading the 9-gates of the Eagle's Nest which is limited to regional jets for 5 additional gates at Terminal 5 giving them 10 gates at the Terminal (of the 15) in their lease. This would give AA 29 gates like DL with the 15 at T4, 10 at T5, and 4 TBIT gates instead of the 33 today (albeit 9 are limited to regional jets).
This also would add to the rumors of the big lounge planned at T5 potentially being an AA lounge (maybe a Flagship?).
Source: https://lawa.granicus.com/MetaViewer...&meta_id=75134
This also would add to the rumors of the big lounge planned at T5 potentially being an AA lounge (maybe a Flagship?).
Source: https://lawa.granicus.com/MetaViewer...&meta_id=75134
#309



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Is LAX the last AA Eagle bus terminal / remote gate setup left? That in itself is the end of an era.
Yeah the nest itself was fine but the bus had low and inconsistent frequencies so it will save time to avoid that.
The nest has seemingly been underutilized for years so the loss of 4 gates may not even be a decrease in current departures.
Yeah the nest itself was fine but the bus had low and inconsistent frequencies so it will save time to avoid that.
The nest has seemingly been underutilized for years so the loss of 4 gates may not even be a decrease in current departures.
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So it looks like AA is trading the 9-gates of the Eagle's Nest which is limited to regional jets for 5 additional gates at Terminal 5 giving them 10 gates at the Terminal (of the 15) in their lease. This would give AA 29 gates like DL with the 15 at T4, 10 at T5, and 4 TBIT gates instead of the 33 today (albeit 9 are limited to regional jets).
This also would add to the rumors of the big lounge planned at T5 potentially being an AA lounge (maybe a Flagship?).
Source: https://lawa.granicus.com/MetaViewer...&meta_id=75134
This also would add to the rumors of the big lounge planned at T5 potentially being an AA lounge (maybe a Flagship?).
Source: https://lawa.granicus.com/MetaViewer...&meta_id=75134
FWIW, the renderings and plans for T5 appear to show 2 lounges, one almost directly over the AA headhouse (which logically would be an AA lounge) and another partway down the concourse, which seems like it could either be a B6 lounge (if they also return to T5) or a credit card lounge.
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So it looks like AA is trading the 9-gates of the Eagle's Nest which is limited to regional jets for 5 additional gates at Terminal 5 giving them 10 gates at the Terminal (of the 15) in their lease. This would give AA 29 gates like DL with the 15 at T4, 10 at T5, and 4 TBIT gates instead of the 33 today (albeit 9 are limited to regional jets).
This also would add to the rumors of the big lounge planned at T5 potentially being an AA lounge (maybe a Flagship?).
Source: https://lawa.granicus.com/MetaViewer...&meta_id=75134
This also would add to the rumors of the big lounge planned at T5 potentially being an AA lounge (maybe a Flagship?).
Source: https://lawa.granicus.com/MetaViewer...&meta_id=75134
#313

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Outside of PHX, most of AA’s LAX flights within the region are now operated by Eagle (including but not limited to YVR, SEA, PDX, SFO and DEN… with LAS being a mix of mainline and Eagle). I don’t think a lot of these routes would work for AA if they switched to mainline, so the Eagle operation will most certainly continue out of LAX.
You need some of those for loyalty, but that's where AA should leverage its partnership with AS as it has which has a lower CASM-ex. The AS partnership at LAX is differentiator as AA + AS holds ~25% market share at LAX (~30% if AA recovers to pre-COVID volumes post renovations) with code-sharing restrictions sunsetting this year. The closest competitor is DL at ~20%.
Now on the flip side, IMO AA has struggled in identifying more domestic dots it can serve profitably at LAX. It has added some mainline routes recently like PIT and CMH which will need time to mature (yields look not great, but they are new so they will gradually improve though TBD if it will improve enough). Rumors are that they are adding frequencies to IND and RDU to go over daily. Some Eagle routes like Houston (despite UA competition) and OKC (strong AA market) should be up-gauged, but agreed a lot of the others (e.g., Des Moines, Albuquerque, Fayetteville, Santa Fe, etc.) aren't suited for up-gauging. Maybe there's an argument for Toronto-Pearson with the Porter code-sharing partnership, but that feels iffy. When they tried T-Pac and Latin America long-haul the results weren't great, and with all the LAX-HKG additions that is going to be ugly as UA is already struggling on that route in both yields and LFs before DL is jumping in. I think some AUS/NZ expansion (e.g., LAX-MEL on AA metal, grow the LAX-AKL season) with the Qantas JV given what DL and UA have done is overdue.
Regardless they need to make an investment in LAX as they don't have a West Coast hub. It probably will never be a gold-mine for them, but there is a path with their infrastructure to be #1 or on-par with DL with comparable (if not slightly more) market loyalty. They're #3 today slightly behind UA, but they need to invest in that product and experience which at least some of the rhetoric is changing and some low-hanging fruit changes are happening, but there is a way to go.
Source: https://www.transportation.gov/sites...%202025_Q2.pdf
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I'm most concerned about how they are going to handle bussing from T4 to the Eagles Nest. It was already a dumpster fire with the two bus gate options in T4&T5 with the latter being the most trafficked. Now, you are moving everything to T4 only and they haven't even completed construction yet on T4. Right now it stops at 42A so you have to walk 10-15 minutes to get to the bus gate which is just another inconvenience.

