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Old Oct 2, 2025 | 7:06 am
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Originally Posted by MAH4546
correct, there will be a temporary AC in TBIT as AA will be substantially increasing TBIT ops during T5 construction. I’m a little surprised because just feels cheaper to allow members to access the OW lounge which they’ve done in the past.
I’d have to imagine that the OW J lounge would be beyond capacity if they went that route. Maybe they will open up a “provisions” outpost
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Old Oct 2, 2025 | 9:58 am
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Do we know where this temporary AC is located within TBIT?
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And so it begins... AA @ LAX will be even more of a mess for the next few years, and I'm calling it now, ZERO chance they finish on-time (or on budget). Simply not a possibility in Los Angeles.
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Old Oct 2, 2025 | 9:23 pm
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Is there space in the main TBIT building for an AC? I know there is space next to the AF lounge (both north and south side) for what looks to be future lounges. But that's in the MFC. I just hope that when it does open up, the QF F lounge won't be making AA Emerald intl fliers use that lounge instead.
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Old Oct 3, 2025 | 12:09 am
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The temporary TBIT AC will be physically located in the concourse between gates 151 and 153. Some of the gate seating was removed, tall partitions were installed, and the work is going on behind them. I do not know what the finished product will look like, but I work in TBIT every day.

There are not any empty lounge spaces in the main TBIT building to use at the moment. The Amex Centurion lounge temporarily moved to the old Etihad lounge when they were fixing their HVAC issues a couple years ago, but that space is now the Virgin Atlantic Clubhouse. Korean Air is also renovating their current lounge and taking over the old Los Angeles International Lounge upstairs as their new first class facility. Chase is building out their new lounge in the gateway building between TBIT and the midfield concourse…lots going on there on the lounge front at the moment.
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Old Oct 3, 2025 | 10:00 am
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Originally Posted by Speedbrian747
The temporary TBIT AC will be physically located in the concourse between gates 151 and 153. Some of the gate seating was removed, tall partitions were installed, and the work is going on behind them. I do not know what the finished product will look like, but I work in TBIT every day.

There are not any empty lounge spaces in the main TBIT building to use at the moment. The Amex Centurion lounge temporarily moved to the old Etihad lounge when they were fixing their HVAC issues a couple years ago, but that space is now the Virgin Atlantic Clubhouse. Korean Air is also renovating their current lounge and taking over the old Los Angeles International Lounge upstairs as their new first class facility. Chase is building out their new lounge in the gateway building between TBIT and the midfield concourse…lots going on there on the lounge front at the moment.
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Old Oct 10, 2025 | 11:34 am
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So it looks like AA is trading the 9-gates of the Eagle's Nest which is limited to regional jets for 5 additional gates at Terminal 5 giving them 10 gates at the Terminal (of the 15) in their lease. This would give AA 29 gates like DL with the 15 at T4, 10 at T5, and 4 TBIT gates instead of the 33 today (albeit 9 are limited to regional jets).

This also would add to the rumors of the big lounge planned at T5 potentially being an AA lounge (maybe a Flagship?).

Source: https://lawa.granicus.com/MetaViewer...&meta_id=75134
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Old Oct 10, 2025 | 11:48 am
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I don't mind Eagle's Nest but the bus ride is kind of annoying so I look forward to moving all regional ops to the main concourses.

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Old Oct 10, 2025 | 12:19 pm
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Is LAX the last AA Eagle bus terminal / remote gate setup left? That in itself is the end of an era.
Yeah the nest itself was fine but the bus had low and inconsistent frequencies so it will save time to avoid that.
The nest has seemingly been underutilized for years so the loss of 4 gates may not even be a decrease in current departures.
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Old Oct 11, 2025 | 9:17 am
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Originally Posted by norcalfiend
So it looks like AA is trading the 9-gates of the Eagle's Nest which is limited to regional jets for 5 additional gates at Terminal 5 giving them 10 gates at the Terminal (of the 15) in their lease. This would give AA 29 gates like DL with the 15 at T4, 10 at T5, and 4 TBIT gates instead of the 33 today (albeit 9 are limited to regional jets).

This also would add to the rumors of the big lounge planned at T5 potentially being an AA lounge (maybe a Flagship?).

Source: https://lawa.granicus.com/MetaViewer...&meta_id=75134
I will be interesting to see if AA just ends the Skywest RJ operations entirely or just moves the E175 fleet to T5. Seems like a better outcome for AA than using MSC South (which was the prior plan).

FWIW, the renderings and plans for T5 appear to show 2 lounges, one almost directly over the AA headhouse (which logically would be an AA lounge) and another partway down the concourse, which seems like it could either be a B6 lounge (if they also return to T5) or a credit card lounge.
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Old Oct 11, 2025 | 10:38 am
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Originally Posted by BillBurn
I will be interesting to see if AA just ends the Skywest RJ operations entirely or just moves the E175 fleet to T5. Seems like a better outcome for AA than using MSC South (which was the prior plan).
Outside of PHX, most of AA’s LAX flights within the region are now operated by Eagle (including but not limited to YVR, SEA, PDX, SFO and DEN… with LAS being a mix of mainline and Eagle). I don’t think a lot of these routes would work for AA if they switched to mainline, so the Eagle operation will most certainly continue out of LAX.
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Originally Posted by norcalfiend
So it looks like AA is trading the 9-gates of the Eagle's Nest which is limited to regional jets for 5 additional gates at Terminal 5 giving them 10 gates at the Terminal (of the 15) in their lease. This would give AA 29 gates like DL with the 15 at T4, 10 at T5, and 4 TBIT gates instead of the 33 today (albeit 9 are limited to regional jets).

This also would add to the rumors of the big lounge planned at T5 potentially being an AA lounge (maybe a Flagship?).

Source: https://lawa.granicus.com/MetaViewer...&meta_id=75134
That's music to my ears. While I usually like connecting through LAX, I hate the bus ride to the Eagle's Nest.
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Old Oct 11, 2025 | 11:15 am
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Originally Posted by dw
Outside of PHX, most of AA’s LAX flights within the region are now operated by Eagle (including but not limited to YVR, SEA, PDX, SFO and DEN… with LAS being a mix of mainline and Eagle). I don’t think a lot of these routes would work for AA if they switched to mainline, so the Eagle operation will most certainly continue out of LAX.
Some of the statistics for Los Angeles routes are eye-popping. For instance, WN pulled a higher avg. fare than UA on Los Angeles metro-San Francisco metro at ~$169 to ~$159, although the route is one of the lowest fare routes <750 miles in the top 1000 domestic routes category. Los Angeles - Las Vegas is the 8th lowest fare route in that category with a horrible avg. yield of ~$132 while Los Angeles - Reno is also there. Are those markets AA should up-gauge in and compete? Feels like an obvious way to lose money.

You need some of those for loyalty, but that's where AA should leverage its partnership with AS as it has which has a lower CASM-ex. The AS partnership at LAX is differentiator as AA + AS holds ~25% market share at LAX (~30% if AA recovers to pre-COVID volumes post renovations) with code-sharing restrictions sunsetting this year. The closest competitor is DL at ~20%.

Now on the flip side, IMO AA has struggled in identifying more domestic dots it can serve profitably at LAX. It has added some mainline routes recently like PIT and CMH which will need time to mature (yields look not great, but they are new so they will gradually improve though TBD if it will improve enough). Rumors are that they are adding frequencies to IND and RDU to go over daily. Some Eagle routes like Houston (despite UA competition) and OKC (strong AA market) should be up-gauged, but agreed a lot of the others (e.g., Des Moines, Albuquerque, Fayetteville, Santa Fe, etc.) aren't suited for up-gauging. Maybe there's an argument for Toronto-Pearson with the Porter code-sharing partnership, but that feels iffy. When they tried T-Pac and Latin America long-haul the results weren't great, and with all the LAX-HKG additions that is going to be ugly as UA is already struggling on that route in both yields and LFs before DL is jumping in. I think some AUS/NZ expansion (e.g., LAX-MEL on AA metal, grow the LAX-AKL season) with the Qantas JV given what DL and UA have done is overdue.

Regardless they need to make an investment in LAX as they don't have a West Coast hub. It probably will never be a gold-mine for them, but there is a path with their infrastructure to be #1 or on-par with DL with comparable (if not slightly more) market loyalty. They're #3 today slightly behind UA, but they need to invest in that product and experience which at least some of the rhetoric is changing and some low-hanging fruit changes are happening, but there is a way to go.

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Old Oct 20, 2025 | 6:12 pm
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Sounds like T5 is closing on 10.27 per a post on X echoed by JonNYC
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Old Oct 20, 2025 | 6:58 pm
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I'm most concerned about how they are going to handle bussing from T4 to the Eagles Nest. It was already a dumpster fire with the two bus gate options in T4&T5 with the latter being the most trafficked. Now, you are moving everything to T4 only and they haven't even completed construction yet on T4. Right now it stops at 42A so you have to walk 10-15 minutes to get to the bus gate which is just another inconvenience.
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