Mar 27, 2025, 1:59 am
Last edit by: ATLCDG
Welcome to the main Air France La Première thread.
In this wiki, you will find schedule, seat maps and network.
(Last updated April 2025).
For historical, technical, strategy and future network content, look in this thread.
La Première is available if you are flying to New York City (JFK), Los Angeles, San Francisco, Washington DC, Miami, Sao Paulo, Abidjan, Dubai, Singapore, and Tokyo (HND). All flights are in / out of Paris CDG.
You will find La Première on the following flights:
During DST = Until 26th of October 2025
Between US and EU DST = Between 26th of October and 2nd of November 2025
After DST (Winter) = After 2nd of November
Peak Season = June, July, August
NEW YORK (JFK) (3X to 5X DAILY)
DURING DST (PEAK SEASON)
TO JFK
AF2 08:30 - 10:30
AF4 10:30 - 12:40
AF6 13:30 - 15:45
AF8 16:30 - 18:45
AF10 18:30 - 20:55
FROM JFK
AF1 16:30 - 05:55+1
AF3 17:30 - 06:55+1
AF5 18:30 - 08:05+1
AF7 21:30 - 11:05+1
AF9 23:30 - 13:00+1
DURING DST (LOW SEASON)
TO JFK:
AF4 10:30 - 12:40
AF6 13:30 - 15:45
AF8 16:30 - 18:45
AF10 18:30 - 20:55
FROM JFK :
AF3 17:30 - 06:55+1
AF5 18:30 - 08:05+1
AF7 21:30 - 11:00+1
AF9 23:30 - 13:00+1
BETWEEN US AND EU DST
TO JFK:
AF4 10:30 - 14:00
AF6 13:30 - 17:10
AF8 16:30 - 20:15
FROM JFK :
AF1 17:30 - 05:45+1
AF5 19:30 - 07:50+1
AF7 22:30. - 10:50+1
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO JFK :
AF4 10:30 - 13:00
AF6 13:30 - 16:10
AF8 16:30 - 19:15
FROM JFK :
AF1 16:30 - 05:45+1
AF5 18:30 - 07:50+1
AF7 21:30 - 10:50+1
Notes on the JFK operations:
The flagship flights are AF4, AF6 and AF8. Note that this route is heavily subject to last minute aircraft changes. Even on flagship 777 routes. Downgrades have been reported multiple times.
LOS ANGELES (LAX) (2X to 3X Daily)
DURING DST (PEAK SEASON)
TO LAX
AF20 08:45 - 11:20
AF22 10:30 - 13:05
AF24 13:30 - 16:05
FROM LAX
AF21 13:40 - 09:30+1
AF23 15:25 - 11:15+1
AF25 18:30 - 14:20 +1
DURING DST (LOW SEASON)
TO LAX :
AF22 10:30 - 13:05
AF24 13:30 - 16:05
FROM LAX :
AF23 15:25 - 11:15+1
AF25 18:30 - 14:20+1
BETWEEN EU AND US DST
TO LAX :
AF22 10:15 - 14:05
AF24 13:20 - 17:10
FROM LAX :
AF23 16:25 - 11:15+1
AF25 19:30 - 14:20+1
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO LAX:
AF22 10:15 - 13:05
AF24 13:20 - 16:10
FROM LAX:
AF23 15:25 - 11:15+1
AF25 18:30 - 14:20+1
SAN FRANCISCO (SFO)
DURING DST
TO SFO
AF84 10:20 - 12:50
FROM SFO
AF83 15:05 - 10:55+1
BETWEEN US AND EU DST
TO SFO
AF84 10:25 - 14:10
FROM SFO
AF83 16:25 - 11:20+1
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO SFO
AF84 10:25 - 13:10
FROM SFO
AF83 15:25 - 11:20+1
WASHINGTON (IAD)
DURING DST
TO IAD
AF50 13:45 - 16:20
FROM IAD
AF51 18:30 - 08:15+1
BETWEEN US AND EU DST
TO IAD
AF50 13:25 - 17:15
FROM IAD :
AF51 19:30 - 08:00+1
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO IAD
AF50 13:25 - 16:15
FROM IAD
AF51 18:30 - 08:00+1
MIAMI (MIA)
DURING EU DST
TO MIA
AF90 10:25 - 14:15
FROM MIA
AF91 16:35 - 07:35+1
BETWEEN US AND EU DST
TO MIA
AF90 13:10 - 18:30
FROM MIA
AF91 20:50 - 10:45+1
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO MIA
AF90 13:10 - 17:30
FROM MIA
AF91 19:50 - 10:45+1
SAO PAULO (GRU)
MAJOR SCHEDULE CHANGE
DURING EU DST (BEFORE 30TH OF JUNE 2025) :
TO GRU
AF460 10:10 - 17:00
FROM GRU
AF459 19:15 - 11:15+1
DURING EU DST (STARTING 30TH OF JUNE 2025):
TO GRU
AF454 23:30 - 06:15+1
FROM GRU
AF453 14:40 - 06:55+1
AFTER EU DST (Winter) :
TO GRU
AF454 23:20 - 07:15+1
FROM GRU
AF453 14:40 - 06:05+1
Notes on GRU operations :
The La Première service is removed from the day flight and added to the night flight to GRU starting 30th of June.
ABIDJAN (ABJ)
DURING EU DST
TO ABJ
AF702 14:10 - 18:30
FROM ABJ
AF703 21:05 - 05:45+1
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO ABJ
AF702 14:35 - 19:55
FROM ABJ
AF703 22:15 - 05:45+1
DUBAI (DXB)
DURING EU DST
TO DXB
AF662 13:40 - 22:35
FROM DXB
AF655 00:40 - 06:00
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO DXB
AF662 13:35 - 23:20
FROM DXB
AF665 01:30 - 06:25
SINGAPORE (SIN)
DURING EU DST
TO SIN
AF256 21:15 - 16:30+1
FROM SIN
AF257 22:35 - 06:10+1
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO SIN
AF256 21:05 - 16:55+1
FROM SIN
AF257 22:55 - 06:10+1
TOKYO (HND)
DURING EU DST
TO HND
AF274 22:00 - 18:30+1
FROM HND
AF293 00:05 - 08:00 (3x Weekly)
AF279 22:05 - 06:00+1 (4x Weekly)
AFTER DST (Winter) :
TO HND
AF274 21:55 - 19:25+1
FROM HND
AF293 01:00 - 07:55
Note on HND operations:
AF279 and AF293 is the same return flight of AF274, under two different numbers due to the slots being allocated on the same day; 4x weekly it returns before midnight as AF279, three times weekly after midnight, it returns as AF293.
LA PREMIÈRE
FLEET & SCHEDULE
La Première cabin is installed on 25 Boeing 777-300ER (F-GSQA/B/C/E/F/G/H/I/J/K/L/M/U/V/Y and F-GZNA/B/C/D/E/H/K/P/Q, and R).
Seat maps of Boeing 777-300ER with La Première (copyright aeroLOPA)
(click here for original site)
Version 1 ("Old" La Première):
Version 2 ("New" La Première):
(F-GSQC/E/F/L/K/Y and F-GZND/E/H/K/P/Q/R)
This La Première map was created using Travel-Dealz flight map tool (copyright / creative commons), to create a new one in the future if a new destination opens, click here.
Other routes that previously operated La Premiere service but are now terminated as P service) included Beirut, Osaka, Lagos, Beijing, Atlanta, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Mexico, Chicago, Houston, Montreal and Johannesburg. (And has previously switched from the morning to the overnight flight to Sao Paulo for example.)
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Schedule and route map content by on.the.bowery (Last update: April 2025).
Note that as of April 2025, you can find two threads about La Première, a general discussion (here), and a more technical discussion (Network, Historic, Strategy, etc) in this thread.
Enjoy your flight.
Note that as of April 2025, you can find two threads about La Première, a general discussion (here), and a more technical discussion (Network, Historic, Strategy, etc) in this thread.
Enjoy your flight.
March 2025 - New La Première
Aug 9, 2025 | 7:24 am
#616
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: NYC -- UA 1K; SPG Platinum; HH Diamond.
Posts: 3,250
It's looked like AF has tested this with several La P equipped making runs to TLV in the last month (whether or not they are selling the cabin). I would actually think it's a good move for AF in this climate if they can make it work. Currently, US based airlines are in and out, while other than LY, AF and Emirates/Fly Dubai have been consistent since late 2023. LY's new J product on the 787's is great, but they don't have a lot of seats to sell and don't fly on shabbat. I would think that there is demand for ex-US traffic with a connection in CDG and a La P to La P connection (JFK/LAX/MIA/IAD). I normally fly LY several times a year and I would swap to AF P.
I would have never bet on TLV, especially in the current context. And I always heard from AF (before Covid) that TLV was low yield, hence the A320 with just EuroJ service. Then finally they put long haul planes with a proper J class. And now P !! That’s very good.
BEY has been an historical P route with a significant demand for this. It has always been served with widebodies as far as I remember and has always been a high yield destination for AF. P was removed from BEY during Covid when the A380 fleet was withdrawn and B77W with P were needed for the routes with the strongest P demand. BEY was certainly not the most priority route for P during that time. But I was sure they would put P again to BEY as soon as more aircrafts would be available.
BEY has been an historical P route with a significant demand for this. It has always been served with widebodies as far as I remember and has always been a high yield destination for AF. P was removed from BEY during Covid when the A380 fleet was withdrawn and B77W with P were needed for the routes with the strongest P demand. BEY was certainly not the most priority route for P during that time. But I was sure they would put P again to BEY as soon as more aircrafts would be available.
Aug 12, 2025 | 1:20 pm
#618
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: New York
Programs: Lots
Posts: 723
Aug 13, 2025 | 7:07 am
#620
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Franche Comté, FR, Atlanta, USA
Programs: DL DM-3MM, BA Gold, A3 Gold, AF Plat
Posts: 635
Happily, yes. I must say the new cabin is spectacular. I was in 1A and there was no one next to me so the divider in the middle stayed closed the entire flight. On my side with the curtains open and all the space it was lovely. I must say I think they thought of nearly everything in the placement of needs around the seat. Storage, plugs, screens... While I did not sleep I spent much of the flight on the "sofa" side because the screen to watch from there is higher on the bulkhead and gets much less glare with the window shades open.
Aug 17, 2025 | 5:26 am
#622
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: MUC/AMS
Programs: Flying Blue Platinum for Life
Posts: 58
I finally pulled the trigger and booked a La Première flight to Singapore this December, and it happens to be on the new La Première suite. It’ll be my first time flying LP, so I’m really curious to experience it for myself.
My routing is MUC–CDG–SIN.
I’ve read a few reports in this thread about less-than-stellar ground service in FRA, but haven’t come across much information about MUC. Munich is my home base and I fly out of there almost every week, so I know some of the ground and lounge staff quite well, and I’m casually familiar with the station manager. Still, I’d rather not give any heads-up about my La Première booking and just see how the experience unfolds without mentioning anything in advance or drawing attention to it. I think it might also be helpful for others to get an idea of what the "standard" ground experience in MUC is like when flying LP.
Has anyone flown La Première out of MUC recently and can share how the ground experience was?
Due to an IT glitch during booking, I was only able to select 1A and 1D, and couldn’t pick the two center suites. I just left it like that for now. However, after reading through this thread and watching a few videos about the new LP suite layout, I’m now second-guessing that decision.
I’ll be flying with my girlfriend – what would you recommend: stick with 1A and 1D, or try to switch to the center pair of suites?
My routing is MUC–CDG–SIN.
I’ve read a few reports in this thread about less-than-stellar ground service in FRA, but haven’t come across much information about MUC. Munich is my home base and I fly out of there almost every week, so I know some of the ground and lounge staff quite well, and I’m casually familiar with the station manager. Still, I’d rather not give any heads-up about my La Première booking and just see how the experience unfolds without mentioning anything in advance or drawing attention to it. I think it might also be helpful for others to get an idea of what the "standard" ground experience in MUC is like when flying LP.
Has anyone flown La Première out of MUC recently and can share how the ground experience was?
Due to an IT glitch during booking, I was only able to select 1A and 1D, and couldn’t pick the two center suites. I just left it like that for now. However, after reading through this thread and watching a few videos about the new LP suite layout, I’m now second-guessing that decision.
I’ll be flying with my girlfriend – what would you recommend: stick with 1A and 1D, or try to switch to the center pair of suites?
Aug 17, 2025 | 10:27 am
#624
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: New York
Programs: Lots
Posts: 723
Helpfulness of La P Email / FB Plat
I am flying NCE-CDG-JFK next week and since my connecting is tight I was thinking of moving to an earlier NCE-CDG flight. Unfourtunately I booked via AMEX and centurion services is a shambles over there.
If I wait until OLCI can I move to an earlier flight or can the FB Plat or La P email line help me? The app won’t let me because I used AMEX
If I wait until OLCI can I move to an earlier flight or can the FB Plat or La P email line help me? The app won’t let me because I used AMEX
Aug 17, 2025 | 12:22 pm
#625
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Paris, France
Programs: AF/KL Flying Blue Ultimate/Platinum for life/Club2000, Accor ALL Diamond
Posts: 25,097
I finally pulled the trigger and booked a La Première flight to Singapore this December, and it happens to be on the new La Première suite. It’ll be my first time flying LP, so I’m really curious to experience it for myself.
My routing is MUC–CDG–SIN.
I’ve read a few reports in this thread about less-than-stellar ground service in FRA, but haven’t come across much information about MUC. Munich is my home base and I fly out of there almost every week, so I know some of the ground and lounge staff quite well, and I’m casually familiar with the station manager. Still, I’d rather not give any heads-up about my La Première booking and just see how the experience unfolds without mentioning anything in advance or drawing attention to it. I think it might also be helpful for others to get an idea of what the "standard" ground experience in MUC is like when flying LP.
Has anyone flown La Première out of MUC recently and can share how the ground experience was?
Due to an IT glitch during booking, I was only able to select 1A and 1D, and couldn’t pick the two center suites. I just left it like that for now. However, after reading through this thread and watching a few videos about the new LP suite layout, I’m now second-guessing that decision.
I’ll be flying with my girlfriend – what would you recommend: stick with 1A and 1D, or try to switch to the center pair of suites?
My routing is MUC–CDG–SIN.
I’ve read a few reports in this thread about less-than-stellar ground service in FRA, but haven’t come across much information about MUC. Munich is my home base and I fly out of there almost every week, so I know some of the ground and lounge staff quite well, and I’m casually familiar with the station manager. Still, I’d rather not give any heads-up about my La Première booking and just see how the experience unfolds without mentioning anything in advance or drawing attention to it. I think it might also be helpful for others to get an idea of what the "standard" ground experience in MUC is like when flying LP.
Has anyone flown La Première out of MUC recently and can share how the ground experience was?
Due to an IT glitch during booking, I was only able to select 1A and 1D, and couldn’t pick the two center suites. I just left it like that for now. However, after reading through this thread and watching a few videos about the new LP suite layout, I’m now second-guessing that decision.
I’ll be flying with my girlfriend – what would you recommend: stick with 1A and 1D, or try to switch to the center pair of suites?
Aug 17, 2025 | 2:39 pm
#626
Join Date: May 2014
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 490
Due to an IT glitch during booking, I was only able to select 1A and 1D, and couldn’t pick the two center suites. I just left it like that for now. However, after reading through this thread and watching a few videos about the new LP suite layout, I’m now second-guessing that decision.
I’ll be flying with my girlfriend – what would you recommend: stick with 1A and 1D, or try to switch to the center pair of suites?
I’ll be flying with my girlfriend – what would you recommend: stick with 1A and 1D, or try to switch to the center pair of suites?
I wonder if this is due to them optimizing for the new cabin layout? It's not clear to me my flight will have it (from SFO, though next summer).
Aug 19, 2025 | 11:55 am
#627
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: New York
Programs: Lots
Posts: 723
Looks like another AF Bird has completed its refit at BOD and is complete with New La Premiere, F-GSQE.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/f-gsqe
Based on my observations, if a refit is being undertaken it takes about 71 days. If in ORY it takes 109 days.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/f-gsqe
Based on my observations, if a refit is being undertaken it takes about 71 days. If in ORY it takes 109 days.
Aug 19, 2025 | 12:14 pm
#628
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: YYC
Posts: 2,303
Looks like another AF Bird has completed its refit at BOD and is complete with New La Premiere, F-GSQE.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/f-gsqe
Based on my observations, if a refit is being undertaken it takes about 71 days. If in ORY it takes 109 days.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/f-gsqe
Based on my observations, if a refit is being undertaken it takes about 71 days. If in ORY it takes 109 days.
Aug 22, 2025 | 11:56 am
#629
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Franche Comté, FR, Atlanta, USA
Programs: DL DM-3MM, BA Gold, A3 Gold, AF Plat
Posts: 635
Looks like another AF Bird has completed its refit at BOD and is complete with New La Premiere, F-GSQE.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/f-gsqe
Based on my observations, if a refit is being undertaken it takes about 71 days. If in ORY it takes 109 days.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/f-gsqe
Based on my observations, if a refit is being undertaken it takes about 71 days. If in ORY it takes 109 days.
Aug 23, 2025 | 6:41 am
#630
Moderator: Flying Blue (Air France & KLM), France and TravelBuzz!
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Paris, France, AF F+ Rouge pour toujours, Flying Blue whatever, LH FTL, HHonors Gold, formerly proud SCC Executive, now IC Ambassador, BA down to nobody, Grand Voyageur Le Club
Posts: 12,509
Thanking miles4CDG for the headsup. The posts related to possible La Première destinations have been moved to the La Première strategy thread. Thanks for your understanding.
Jouy31
Air France/KLM co-moderator
Jouy31
Air France/KLM co-moderator
Last edited by JOUY31; Aug 23, 2025 at 7:08 am