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Old Aug 9, 2025 | 7:24 am
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Originally Posted by FLYaway3x
It's looked like AF has tested this with several La P equipped making runs to TLV in the last month (whether or not they are selling the cabin). I would actually think it's a good move for AF in this climate if they can make it work. Currently, US based airlines are in and out, while other than LY, AF and Emirates/Fly Dubai have been consistent since late 2023. LY's new J product on the 787's is great, but they don't have a lot of seats to sell and don't fly on shabbat. I would think that there is demand for ex-US traffic with a connection in CDG and a La P to La P connection (JFK/LAX/MIA/IAD). I normally fly LY several times a year and I would swap to AF P.
Originally Posted by Goldorak
I would have never bet on TLV, especially in the current context. And I always heard from AF (before Covid) that TLV was low yield, hence the A320 with just EuroJ service. Then finally they put long haul planes with a proper J class. And now P !! That’s very good.


BEY has been an historical P route with a significant demand for this. It has always been served with widebodies as far as I remember and has always been a high yield destination for AF. P was removed from BEY during Covid when the A380 fleet was withdrawn and B77W with P were needed for the routes with the strongest P demand. BEY was certainly not the most priority route for P during that time. But I was sure they would put P again to BEY as soon as more aircrafts would be available.
It makes total sense to me. During the last several years, AF deployed two heavy daily flights on this route and J was always full. This was a clever counter move to LHG which uses their crap euro business fraud on this route -- LH, OS, SN, LX -- all filling A320/A321s to brim (LX up until a few years back still offered real J (and F seating) on these flights). With AFs routes to the Americas, this is a great premium alternative to LHG / IAG. I'd bet that yields would be higher in P on TLV-CDG than many other P destinations on top of the knock-on effect of filling P on the connecting flight.

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