Mar 27, 2025, 1:59 am
Last edit by: ATLCDG
Welcome to the main Air France La Premičre thread.
In this wiki, you will find schedule, seat maps and network.
(Last updated April 2025).
For historical, technical, strategy and future network content, look in this thread.
La Premičre is available if you are flying to New York City (JFK), Los Angeles, San Francisco, Washington DC, Miami, Sao Paulo, Abidjan, Dubai, Singapore, and Tokyo (HND). All flights are in / out of Paris CDG.
You will find La Premičre on the following flights:
During DST = Until 26th of October 2025
Between US and EU DST = Between 26th of October and 2nd of November 2025
After DST (Winter) = After 2nd of November
Peak Season = June, July, August
NEW YORK (JFK) (3X to 5X DAILY)
DURING DST (PEAK SEASON)
TO JFK
AF2 08:30 - 10:30
AF4 10:30 - 12:40
AF6 13:30 - 15:45
AF8 16:30 - 18:45
AF10 18:30 - 20:55
FROM JFK
AF1 16:30 - 05:55+1
AF3 17:30 - 06:55+1
AF5 18:30 - 08:05+1
AF7 21:30 - 11:05+1
AF9 23:30 - 13:00+1
DURING DST (LOW SEASON)
TO JFK:
AF4 10:30 - 12:40
AF6 13:30 - 15:45
AF8 16:30 - 18:45
AF10 18:30 - 20:55
FROM JFK :
AF3 17:30 - 06:55+1
AF5 18:30 - 08:05+1
AF7 21:30 - 11:00+1
AF9 23:30 - 13:00+1
BETWEEN US AND EU DST
TO JFK:
AF4 10:30 - 14:00
AF6 13:30 - 17:10
AF8 16:30 - 20:15
FROM JFK :
AF1 17:30 - 05:45+1
AF5 19:30 - 07:50+1
AF7 22:30. - 10:50+1
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO JFK :
AF4 10:30 - 13:00
AF6 13:30 - 16:10
AF8 16:30 - 19:15
FROM JFK :
AF1 16:30 - 05:45+1
AF5 18:30 - 07:50+1
AF7 21:30 - 10:50+1
Notes on the JFK operations:
The flagship flights are AF4, AF6 and AF8. Note that this route is heavily subject to last minute aircraft changes. Even on flagship 777 routes. Downgrades have been reported multiple times.
LOS ANGELES (LAX) (2X to 3X Daily)
DURING DST (PEAK SEASON)
TO LAX
AF20 08:45 - 11:20
AF22 10:30 - 13:05
AF24 13:30 - 16:05
FROM LAX
AF21 13:40 - 09:30+1
AF23 15:25 - 11:15+1
AF25 18:30 - 14:20 +1
DURING DST (LOW SEASON)
TO LAX :
AF22 10:30 - 13:05
AF24 13:30 - 16:05
FROM LAX :
AF23 15:25 - 11:15+1
AF25 18:30 - 14:20+1
BETWEEN EU AND US DST
TO LAX :
AF22 10:15 - 14:05
AF24 13:20 - 17:10
FROM LAX :
AF23 16:25 - 11:15+1
AF25 19:30 - 14:20+1
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO LAX:
AF22 10:15 - 13:05
AF24 13:20 - 16:10
FROM LAX:
AF23 15:25 - 11:15+1
AF25 18:30 - 14:20+1
SAN FRANCISCO (SFO)
DURING DST
TO SFO
AF84 10:20 - 12:50
FROM SFO
AF83 15:05 - 10:55+1
BETWEEN US AND EU DST
TO SFO
AF84 10:25 - 14:10
FROM SFO
AF83 16:25 - 11:20+1
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO SFO
AF84 10:25 - 13:10
FROM SFO
AF83 15:25 - 11:20+1
WASHINGTON (IAD)
DURING DST
TO IAD
AF50 13:45 - 16:20
FROM IAD
AF51 18:30 - 08:15+1
BETWEEN US AND EU DST
TO IAD
AF50 13:25 - 17:15
FROM IAD :
AF51 19:30 - 08:00+1
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO IAD
AF50 13:25 - 16:15
FROM IAD
AF51 18:30 - 08:00+1
MIAMI (MIA)
DURING EU DST
TO MIA
AF90 10:25 - 14:15
FROM MIA
AF91 16:35 - 07:35+1
BETWEEN US AND EU DST
TO MIA
AF90 13:10 - 18:30
FROM MIA
AF91 20:50 - 10:45+1
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO MIA
AF90 13:10 - 17:30
FROM MIA
AF91 19:50 - 10:45+1
SAO PAULO (GRU)
MAJOR SCHEDULE CHANGE
DURING EU DST (BEFORE 30TH OF JUNE 2025) :
TO GRU
AF460 10:10 - 17:00
FROM GRU
AF459 19:15 - 11:15+1
DURING EU DST (STARTING 30TH OF JUNE 2025):
TO GRU
AF454 23:30 - 06:15+1
FROM GRU
AF453 14:40 - 06:55+1
AFTER EU DST (Winter) :
TO GRU
AF454 23:20 - 07:15+1
FROM GRU
AF453 14:40 - 06:05+1
Notes on GRU operations :
The La Premičre service is removed from the day flight and added to the night flight to GRU starting 30th of June.
ABIDJAN (ABJ)
DURING EU DST
TO ABJ
AF702 14:10 - 18:30
FROM ABJ
AF703 21:05 - 05:45+1
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO ABJ
AF702 14:35 - 19:55
FROM ABJ
AF703 22:15 - 05:45+1
DUBAI (DXB)
DURING EU DST
TO DXB
AF662 13:40 - 22:35
FROM DXB
AF655 00:40 - 06:00
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO DXB
AF662 13:35 - 23:20
FROM DXB
AF665 01:30 - 06:25
SINGAPORE (SIN)
DURING EU DST
TO SIN
AF256 21:15 - 16:30+1
FROM SIN
AF257 22:35 - 06:10+1
AFTER DST (Winter)
TO SIN
AF256 21:05 - 16:55+1
FROM SIN
AF257 22:55 - 06:10+1
TOKYO (HND)
DURING EU DST
TO HND
AF274 22:00 - 18:30+1
FROM HND
AF293 00:05 - 08:00 (3x Weekly)
AF279 22:05 - 06:00+1 (4x Weekly)
AFTER DST (Winter) :
TO HND
AF274 21:55 - 19:25+1
FROM HND
AF293 01:00 - 07:55
Note on HND operations:
AF279 and AF293 is the same return flight of AF274, under two different numbers due to the slots being allocated on the same day; 4x weekly it returns before midnight as AF279, three times weekly after midnight, it returns as AF293.
LA PREMIČRE
FLEET & SCHEDULE
La Premičre cabin is installed on 24 Boeing 777-300ER (F-GSQA/B/C/E/F/G/H/I/J/K/L/M/U/V/Y and F-GZNA/B/C/D/E/H/K/P and Q).
Seat maps of Boeing 777-300ER with La Premičre (copyright aeroLOPA)
(click here for original site)
Version 1 ("Old" La Premičre):
Version 2 ("New" La Premičre):
(F-GSQC/E/F/L/K/Y and F-GZND/E/H/K/P/Q)
This La Premičre map was created using Travel-Dealz flight map tool (copyright / creative commons), to create a new one in the future if a new destination opens, click here.
Other routes that previously operated La Premiere service but are now terminated as P service) included Beirut, Osaka, Lagos, Beijing, Atlanta, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Mexico, Chicago, Houston, Montreal and Johannesburg. (And has previously switched from the morning to the overnight flight to Sao Paulo for example.)
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Schedule and route map content by on.the.bowery (Last update: April 2025).
Note that as of April 2025, you can find two threads about La Premičre, a general discussion (here), and a more technical discussion (Network, Historic, Strategy, etc) in this thread.
Enjoy your flight.
Note that as of April 2025, you can find two threads about La Premičre, a general discussion (here), and a more technical discussion (Network, Historic, Strategy, etc) in this thread.
Enjoy your flight.
March 2025 - New La Premičre
Jul 24, 2025 | 12:32 am
#571
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2010
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Posts: 11,388
I sent a email, I tried calling but for somereason the call wont connect...
Not sure the middle seat is that great but I suppose A middle in LP is still good
I would of course rather UPG the return with a very long layover in CDG but that wont open until 18 tomorrow
Jul 24, 2025 | 7:49 am
#572
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: New York
Programs: EK Platinum, DL DM, AA EXP, UA Gold, Marriott Platinum, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 1,549
Jul 24, 2025 | 8:22 am
#573
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: NYC -- UA 1K; SPG Platinum; HH Diamond.
Posts: 3,238
Agreed. The security check at JFK T1 is horrible with or without an escort. It's a complete zoo and the reason TSA probably enforces the rule there is because if people were allowed more bags it would delay things even more. That terminal / security lanes are not built for the traffic that's going through it.
Jul 24, 2025 | 8:22 am
#574
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: NYC -- UA 1K; SPG Platinum; HH Diamond.
Posts: 3,238
Jul 24, 2025 | 1:38 pm
#575
Moderator: Flying Blue (Air France & KLM), France and TravelBuzz!
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Paris, France, AF F+ Rouge pour toujours, Flying Blue whatever, LH FTL, HHonors Gold, formerly proud SCC Executive, now IC Ambassador, BA down to nobody, Grand Voyageur Le Club
Posts: 12,509
Please continue the discussion on JFK Terminal 1 (and others) in the newly created thread.
Thanks for your understanding.
Kind regards,
Jouy31
Air France / KLM co-moderator
Thanks for your understanding.
Kind regards,
Jouy31
Air France / KLM co-moderator
Jul 25, 2025 | 5:22 am
#577
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: New York
Programs: EK Platinum, DL DM, AA EXP, UA Gold, Marriott Platinum, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 1,549
Yes they sent me the list. But it’s just a bunch of different facials and one small section with body treatments for women.
I asked and apparently they do not offer any body treatments for men in the LP lounge.
I asked and apparently they do not offer any body treatments for men in the LP lounge.
Jul 25, 2025 | 10:15 am
#578
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: GRU
Programs: UA GS; AF Ulti C2000; LH SEN; AA Plat Pro
Posts: 441
So I guess it depends on the therapist. I must say I think the facial offers a better value than the back massage.
Jul 28, 2025 | 2:00 pm
#579
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: New York
Programs: Lots
Posts: 721
Looks like F-GZND may finally be done its refit and F-GSQK is in for its
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/f-gznd
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/f-gsqk
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/f-gznd
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/f-gsqk
Aug 1, 2025 | 6:05 am
#580
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: New York
Programs: EK Platinum, DL DM, AA EXP, UA Gold, Marriott Platinum, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 1,549
Hmmm; I got a back massage fairly recently (I am male, btw). I had an allergy in one of my eyes and a facial wouldn't be possible. I asked the therapist if I could have a back/shoulder massage and she just asked for 5 minutes to set the table for the back massage.
So I guess it depends on the therapist. I must say I think the facial offers a better value than the back massage.
So I guess it depends on the therapist. I must say I think the facial offers a better value than the back massage.
Aug 1, 2025 | 6:23 am
#581
Join Date: Jul 2023
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Programs: AF-KL FB, TK Miles&Smiles, M&M
Posts: 255
I am not sure if this was discussed here previously, but I can’t seem to find anything about it.
As a reminder,
Passengers flying in La Premiere out of GRU have the option to add the private terminal experience for a reduced fee.
This works like an add-on to your original journey. You simply have to call the La Premiere number to request it.
The normal cost is 517 euros, but AF offers it for 20% less, so I guess around 414 euros.
At the private terminal (called BTG Terminal), you have a dedicated concierge, check-in and baggage drop-off with no lines, private security screening and immigration, gourmet food, cocktail bar, and private transportation between the terminal and the aircraft.
Honestly, the price might be high for a ground experience add-on but relatively to the cost of the ticket, it’s really not.
And when you know how « meh … » can the experience be on the ground at GRU (with that lounge corner, that is not particularly great), this really elevates the experience to something almost similar to what you get in CDG.
As a reminder,
Passengers flying in La Premiere out of GRU have the option to add the private terminal experience for a reduced fee.
This works like an add-on to your original journey. You simply have to call the La Premiere number to request it.
The normal cost is 517 euros, but AF offers it for 20% less, so I guess around 414 euros.
At the private terminal (called BTG Terminal), you have a dedicated concierge, check-in and baggage drop-off with no lines, private security screening and immigration, gourmet food, cocktail bar, and private transportation between the terminal and the aircraft.
Honestly, the price might be high for a ground experience add-on but relatively to the cost of the ticket, it’s really not.
And when you know how « meh … » can the experience be on the ground at GRU (with that lounge corner, that is not particularly great), this really elevates the experience to something almost similar to what you get in CDG.
Aug 1, 2025 | 8:42 am
#582
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Aug 1, 2025 | 9:20 am
#583
Join Date: Jul 2023
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Not yet, I was actually surprised to only find out today that AF offered reduced pricing access to the private terminal when flying LP, by looking at a GRU catering document.
However from the many videos and images I found online, the private terminal, although quite small, looks absolutely stunning.
You can also visualise it more in the following Instagram posts :
Insta Post 1
The food looks delicious and the lounge looks great. I think for 414 euros, it seems really worth it.
The type of car used for transfer to the aircraft seems to be Volvo XC90 SUV.
It looks like you can also have a private entire room (in the style of what AF offers at the new LP check-in area in CDG, however I believe it's more a living room than a bedroom), but that comes with an additional cost of 1600 euros (so around the same cost as what if offered in CDG). AF might offer 20% on that too.
However from the many videos and images I found online, the private terminal, although quite small, looks absolutely stunning.
You can also visualise it more in the following Instagram posts :
Insta Post 1
The food looks delicious and the lounge looks great. I think for 414 euros, it seems really worth it.
The type of car used for transfer to the aircraft seems to be Volvo XC90 SUV.
It looks like you can also have a private entire room (in the style of what AF offers at the new LP check-in area in CDG, however I believe it's more a living room than a bedroom), but that comes with an additional cost of 1600 euros (so around the same cost as what if offered in CDG). AF might offer 20% on that too.
Aug 1, 2025 | 9:46 am
#584
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: GRU
Programs: UA GS; AF Ulti C2000; LH SEN; AA Plat Pro
Posts: 441
I did not partake in the food options and just had a coffee. But the folks in the terminal were selling it high, as “Michelin quality”.
It is a very smooth process. There are two dedicated channels: one for domestic flights and one for international, at either side of the terminal. All cars are Volvo XC60 indeed.
I will also test the arrival service in about a month from now, which to be is more value added, especially with the new time of AF’s LP-equipped flight, which gets in the peak arrival hours and behind a dozen earlier flights …
For arrivals, the only downside is that 100% of the luggage is inspected by customs via X-ray. So beware if you are bringing items that exceed the value quota or food that might not be allowed in.
Don’t have a lot of pictures as this was a business trip and I had other people with me.
By the way, you can book directly with the terminal using the AF discount. That’s how I booked my upcoming arrival service.
Last edited by burg_rtw; Aug 1, 2025 at 10:02 am Reason: Fixing typos
Aug 2, 2025 | 6:49 am
#585
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Interesting to hear about the helicopter service.
I used it frequently before it was ended during Covid. Who is the company now operating it? At the time it was affiliated with Airbus, and they ran this in Mexico and Săo Paulo.
I used it frequently before it was ended during Covid. Who is the company now operating it? At the time it was affiliated with Airbus, and they ran this in Mexico and Săo Paulo.