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Old Jan 9, 2025 | 8:46 am
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Originally Posted by Dave_C
A bit late to the thread, but tbh, anyone that wants to fly there and back to Erbil on a shorthaul aircraft, 12 times, to a place that the UK FCDO advises against all but essential travel is very welcome to HON status. Carsten should probably award them a medal too!
There's a reason it's so cheap and this time round, it's not because of competition.
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Old Jan 9, 2025 | 8:48 am
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Originally Posted by Fabo.sk
It's still 20x 4+ hours in the torture seat in A32S, for the really cheap ones. At least FRA-RUH is a widebody.



Think we found the customer LH is thinking of when they make changes "due to customer demand"




What's total pax capacity has to do with amount of F seats?

AA has 200mil plus and is getting rid of Flagship First completely. DL is 200mil and doesn't have F at all.
Some of the 140 million passengers are likely willing to pay for F. Only because a carrier doesn't offer F, doesn't mean there is no demand for it. LH and LX F is full of Americans.
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Old Jan 9, 2025 | 9:15 am
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Originally Posted by Fabo.sk
It's still 20x 4+ hours in the torture seat in A32S, for the really cheap ones. At least FRA-RUH is a widebody.
Some of us need to go to TLV & LX did have a A330 but if you have to go just that & you can dine in the FCL before your flight & rest as much as possible onboard, it currently gives a strange number of points but we are where we are
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Old Jan 9, 2025 | 9:24 am
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Originally Posted by honsen
Some of the 140 million passengers are likely willing to pay for F.
Then surely, more of the 200 million passengers are likely willing to pay for F?

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Only because a carrier doesn't offer F, doesn't mean there is no demand for it. LH and LX F is full of Americans.
Then if F demand is so high, why are american carriers just denying themselves the profits?
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Old Jan 9, 2025 | 9:28 am
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Originally Posted by chris63
Managed to avoid those ridiculous subsidiaries, Mainline definitely flies to Holiday destinations, greetings from Thailand
But come on. Its such a devaluation that you cant get to Male, Cancun, Mauritius etc any more because they moved the flights to Discover and exclude the Hon guarantee.
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Old Jan 9, 2025 | 9:35 am
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But come on. Its such a devaluation that you cant get to Male, Cancun, Mauritius etc any more because they moved the flights to Discover and exclude the Hon guarantee.
Not to me, mainline does not fly there & nor do i have any interest in those places, each to their own, i would not fly those distances on a tourist focussed airline in a substandard J

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Old Jan 9, 2025 | 9:35 am
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Originally Posted by MumbaiDan
But come on. Its such a devaluation that you cant get to Male, Cancun, Mauritius etc any more because they moved the flights to Discover and exclude the Hon guarantee.
OS is the answer for Most of those destinations
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Old Jan 9, 2025 | 9:36 am
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Originally Posted by chris63
Some of us need to go to TLV & LX did have a A330 but if you have to go just that & you can dine in the FCL before your flight & rest as much as possible onboard, it currently gives a strange number of points but we are where we are
As long as you could be sure to get A330 (and with HON I understand you would have been pretty much guaranteed an F seat too), I don't think that showed up in the cheap tickets. Other option then also used to be Edelweiss to Jordan under Swiss numbers, but neither of these will be relevant for quite a while yet.
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Old Jan 9, 2025 | 9:50 am
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Originally Posted by Fabo.sk
Then surely, more of the 200 million passengers are likely willing to pay for F?



Then if F demand is so high, why are american carriers just denying themselves the profits?
Because their F sucked in comparison to European and Asian rivals and had - at the end - no revenue flyers.

If an F doesn't work ex-USA, the richest country in the world, it shouldn't work ex-EU, ex-UAE/ME, ex-SIN, ex-TYO and ex-SYD but it does. Your argumentation is too simple and doesn't work out.



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Old Jan 9, 2025 | 11:19 am
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Originally Posted by honsen

(...) USA, the richest country in the world

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Old Jan 9, 2025 | 11:33 am
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Originally Posted by f4freeJunior
GDP per capita, constant prices, more than 10 million people (not counting Luxembourg, Macao, Ireland, Singapore, Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Switzerland and San Marino) to be precise.
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Old Jan 9, 2025 | 11:47 am
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On the other hand Discover extends your vacation free of charge

https://www.aerotelegraph.com/passag...ge-in-windhoek

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But come on. Its such a devaluation that you cant get to Male, Cancun, Mauritius etc any more because they moved the flights to Discover and exclude the Hon guarantee.
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Old Jan 9, 2025 | 1:51 pm
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Originally Posted by honsen
GDP per capita, constant prices, more than 10 million people (not counting Luxembourg, Macao, Ireland, Singapore, Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Switzerland and San Marino) to be precise.
The richest country in the world, except those that are richer!

Also, GDP doesn't equal disposable income, let alone time to travel regularly. There definitely are markets with much more substantial demand for luxury products than the US (then again, were talking about Lufthansa here, so maybe I shouldn't be mentioning luxury products ).
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Old Jan 9, 2025 | 2:06 pm
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Originally Posted by the810
The richest country in the world, except those that are richer!

Also, GDP doesn't equal disposable income, let alone time to travel regularly. There definitely are markets with much more substantial demand for luxury products than the US (then again, were talking about Lufthansa here, so maybe I shouldn't be mentioning luxury products ).
US is the biggest single market for luxury goods. Read the reports of LVMH or Kering.

Who pays for C or F travel out of personal pockets? It's not tax deductible.
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Old Jan 9, 2025 | 3:16 pm
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Actually the ATH-EBL fare has a min stay of 5 days which is not very practical for MR.
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