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Old Dec 30, 2024 | 1:11 pm
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  • Tier Points on credit card spending: BA American Express Premium Plus Cardmembers will be able to earn up to 2,500 Tier Points by spending on their card. More details of this offer will be announced closer to the launch date.
Hopefully this will apply to non-UK BA-endorsed cards also, such as my Royal Bank of Canada BA VISA. If so, I will be able to stay as silver; if not, it will be tough. Lounge access is not an issue given I usually flying CE/CW/F, but having to pay for seat-selection is a no way from me.

And here I was hoping to go for Gold in 2025/2026. I guess from 2026 (I will instead be looking for the best deal on my TATL-flights).
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Old Dec 30, 2024 | 1:11 pm
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Originally Posted by xenole
As I said earlier, I suspect people will pay cash more than use Avios.
If they really want to maintain their status, spending say 2.5k on a CW fare to JFK would work better than 80k Avios + 1k in fees / taxes / surcharges etc.
Running that through on a card that could earn TPs, and some might see this as a fairly good thing.
That only works if there are enough people who are thinking they'll get in the region of their desired status. I can't see myself hitting Gold in any way in my current employment so figure I can either make an effort to hit Silver on BA or make an equal effort to make a better status (e.g. Emerald with Jordanian or possibly AS) with someone else - or perhaps to maintain Star Alliance Gold and a OneWorld Sapphire.
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Old Dec 30, 2024 | 1:11 pm
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Im just curious how does BAEC compared with AYs revenue-based tier point system? Is it just BAEC that set a ridiculous spending requirement?
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Old Dec 30, 2024 | 1:12 pm
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Originally Posted by tuonopepper
I wonder if Barclaycard will be surprised st the sudden deluge of Avios plus cards being cancelled.......
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Which reminds me - I should call to downgrade mine.
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Old Dec 30, 2024 | 1:13 pm
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My few observations:

+ quite a bit of “the level setting should just be where I’d qualify” going on
+ I think BA possess the data to know what each gold makes them, and who’d they want to keep
+ whilst FT may be frequent flyer, the basis of this board is to make status for lowest possible cost, I understand why people are upset. I understand BAs view point
+ I see some people are aghast that their 2500 spend isn’t going to give them gold anymore; sorry, but you’re not profitable customers (and you’re not the marginal customer either)

I remember back in the 90s and early 2000s, BA Gold was super elusive (at least from a teenager in the 90s). I think they’re just taking it back there, and if one will be a gold going forward, it will be nice.

I’d have had some years where I’d easily have made gold on these rates, but as a mainly leisure traveller these days cannot do two programmes for the little work travel I have. I’d be ok with this but don’t have skin in the game.

I’m curious to know what happens with the corporate contracts where eg someone pays x due to corporate discount however actual cost is y, and at which point they get credited. Previously people seem to have said y mattered when calculating CIV.
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Old Dec 30, 2024 | 1:16 pm
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Originally Posted by thomas164
Im just curious how does BAEC compared with AYs revenue-based tier point system? Is it just BAEC that set a ridiculous spending requirement?
AY is about 8k in base fare spend for OWE requalification. From zero low 5 digits from memory.

More details over in the AY board.
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Old Dec 30, 2024 | 1:17 pm
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Originally Posted by dodgeflyer
My few observations:

+ quite a bit of the level setting should just be where Id qualify going on
+ I think BA possess the data to know what each gold makes them, and whod they want to keep
+ whilst FT may be frequent flyer, the basis of this board is to make status for lowest possible cost, I understand why people are upset. I understand BAs view point
+ I see some people are aghast that their 2500 spend isnt going to give them gold anymore; sorry, but youre not profitable customers (and youre not the marginal customer either)

I remember back in the 90s and early 2000s, BA Gold was super elusive (at least from a teenager in the 90s). I think theyre just taking it back there, and if one will be a gold going forward, it will be nice.

Id have had some years where Id easily have made gold on these rates, but as a mainly leisure traveller these days cannot do two programmes for the little work travel I have. Id be ok with this but dont have skin in the game.

Im curious to know what happens with the corporate contracts where eg someone pays x due to corporate discount however actual cost is y, and at which point they get credited. Previously people seem to have said y mattered when calculating CIV.
We all know that this will not be accompanied with a corresponding elevation in premium product.
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Old Dec 30, 2024 | 1:17 pm
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Very sad to see BA leaving most of the customers away from the new but bad system. (what a BAD announcements)
My situation is I am currently BA silver and I still need 665pts to reach BA gold before 8 Feb next year.
Is is worth to get a run in Jan to reach it so I can get an year of BA gold plus another year of silver membership without paying anything further? (soft downgrade and end at Mar2027)

I would probably end my friendship with BA no matter how the decision takes.
Just try to enjoy the last privilege from the old systems.
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Old Dec 30, 2024 | 1:18 pm
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I wonder if the number of credit card/premium account cancellations will see Barclays and Amex reconsider their relationships with BA. Amex must have already been pretty upset by the Barclays products a couple of years back.
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Old Dec 30, 2024 | 1:19 pm
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Originally Posted by gary0723
Is is worth to get a run in Jan to reach it so I can get an year of BA gold plus another year of silver membership without paying anything further? (soft downgrade and end at Mar2027)
It appears that the soft landings will be no more, several posts made mention. So you would land at the tier based upon your tier points, which could be blue.
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Old Dec 30, 2024 | 1:20 pm
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Thanks everyone for contributing, interesting points all round. For me GCH for ~10 years and just passed halfway to GFL.

I'll add my name to those who didn't ask for these changes, that said it always annoyed me the low tier points on economy fares which I often take for work (40 per tier points wasn't great). Fairly sure I'll end up dropping from GCH but being based in the USA the silver card will be pretty similar benefits.

I'm in flounge on 1st between 10:30am and 12:30pm if anyone wishes to commiserate.
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Old Dec 30, 2024 | 1:20 pm
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Like many I have been reflecting on the news and what it means in our household. We are both Silver and have sorted our renewal for the post 1 April 2025 world, so Will keep that until 31 March 2026.

We don't get much travel with work and when we do price wins for employers. We fall into the unfavoured old Silver bucket for a few reasons:
  1. Family in Sicily (here now) so regular users of the CTA route in summer and of course it was an 80TP CE route, so you would have been mad not to book that unless pricess were v high. That netted 160 out of the gate (or more if family dictated other trips).
  2. Would look at price v TPs and therefore often book CE when looking to requalify. Of course mix of eco flying in there too using those handy benefits.
  3. Not much longhaul but where there was we would again do the maths/treat ourselves etc. Handy for TPs.
Honestly not sure how we would hit the 7,500 spend and would we want to? Sure have benefitted from the current system, but certainly I am a loser going forward.

looking at LGW-CTA one way as an example, let's take a Wednesday in June and that is 220 base fare, 11 BA fees so 231 eligible spend or 231 new TPs. Cost with taxes in 278. You would need 27 single flights like that to retain Silver (other spend ignored).

Other shorthaul routes (old 40TP world). I have family near ZRH so again a 230 CE leg would be 169 base fare plus 9 BA fees (rest taxes) so 178 eligible spend and new TPs.

As others have said, for many status will go but if flying club you would still be happy. The real benefit which will be lost is status when in eco - the lounge etc has been so v handy when dashing post work for a flight etc.

In an ironic twist I have a MUC return already booked a few weeks back for May in CE to kick off my TP year. With the conversion of 13.35/TP, I believe that will give me 1,068 new TPs v 80 old. I certainly didn't pay that for my flight.

P.s. my better half got the email, but I haven't.
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Old Dec 30, 2024 | 1:21 pm
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Originally Posted by dodgeflyer
My few observations:

+ quite a bit of the level setting should just be where Id qualify going on
+ I think BA possess the data to know what each gold makes them, and whod they want to keep
+ whilst FT may be frequent flyer, the basis of this board is to make status for lowest possible cost, I understand why people are upset. I understand BAs view point
+ I see some people are aghast that their 2500 spend isnt going to give them gold anymore; sorry, but youre not profitable customers (and youre not the marginal customer either)

I remember back in the 90s and early 2000s, BA Gold was super elusive (at least from a teenager in the 90s). I think theyre just taking it back there, and if one will be a gold going forward, it will be nice.

Id have had some years where Id easily have made gold on these rates, but as a mainly leisure traveller these days cannot do two programmes for the little work travel I have. Id be ok with this but dont have skin in the game.

Im curious to know what happens with the corporate contracts where eg someone pays x due to corporate discount however actual cost is y, and at which point they get credited. Previously people seem to have said y mattered when calculating CIV.
So true. Friends in Asia are gobsmacked at how easy gold is. Look at Singapore airlines where top tier status can be earned on J only spend. I knew this time would come. I've certainly spent more than 2k for my gold, but it always struck me as strange it could technically be got for a couple of grand
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Old Dec 30, 2024 | 1:22 pm
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Could someone please post a link to the current (i.e. now old) Executive Club T & C. Maybe my own ineptitude, but I'm struggling to find them and wonder if they've been strategically removed...
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Old Dec 30, 2024 | 1:23 pm
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Originally Posted by dougzz
I wonder if the number of credit card/premium account cancellations will see Barclays and Amex reconsider their relationships with BA. Amex must have already been pretty upset by the Barclays products a couple of years back.
I find the capping of the Amex points baffling. BA are following the US carrier - where there you can now get top tier status by just spending a ton of money on their card ($200k per year = AA Exec Plat, OWE). BA seem to have opted for a mix of the worst of the US system with the worst of their old one?
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