BA ANNOUNCEMENT - BA to move to a spend based Tier Point system From 1st April 2025
#706




Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Aberdeen
Programs: BA Exec Silver, Hilton Honors Gold, Porter
Posts: 1,198
- Tier Points on credit card spending: BA American Express Premium Plus Cardmembers will be able to earn up to 2,500 Tier Points by spending on their card. More details of this offer will be announced closer to the launch date.
And here I was hoping to go for Gold in 2025/2026. I guess from 2026 (I will instead be looking for the best deal on my TATL-flights).
#707




Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: In the air
Programs: Hyatt Globalist, Finnair Platinum, Bonvoy LT Plat, Hilton Gold, GHA Tit, BA Gold, Turkish Elite
Posts: 9,171
As I said earlier, I suspect people will pay cash more than use Avios.
If they really want to maintain their status, spending say 2.5k on a CW fare to JFK would work better than 80k Avios + 1k in fees / taxes / surcharges etc.
Running that through on a card that could earn TPs, and some might see this as a fairly good thing.
If they really want to maintain their status, spending say 2.5k on a CW fare to JFK would work better than 80k Avios + 1k in fees / taxes / surcharges etc.
Running that through on a card that could earn TPs, and some might see this as a fairly good thing.
#708


Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Hong Kong
Programs: BA Silver
Posts: 284
Im just curious how does BAEC compared with AYs revenue-based tier point system? Is it just BAEC that set a ridiculous spending requirement?
#710



Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: OSL
Posts: 2,972
My few observations:
+ quite a bit of “the level setting should just be where I’d qualify” going on
+ I think BA possess the data to know what each gold makes them, and who’d they want to keep
+ whilst FT may be frequent flyer, the basis of this board is to make status for lowest possible cost, I understand why people are upset. I understand BAs view point
+ I see some people are aghast that their 2500 spend isn’t going to give them gold anymore; sorry, but you’re not profitable customers (and you’re not the marginal customer either)
I remember back in the 90s and early 2000s, BA Gold was super elusive (at least from a teenager in the 90s). I think they’re just taking it back there, and if one will be a gold going forward, it will be nice.
I’d have had some years where I’d easily have made gold on these rates, but as a mainly leisure traveller these days cannot do two programmes for the little work travel I have. I’d be ok with this but don’t have skin in the game.
I’m curious to know what happens with the corporate contracts where eg someone pays x due to corporate discount however actual cost is y, and at which point they get credited. Previously people seem to have said y mattered when calculating CIV.
+ quite a bit of “the level setting should just be where I’d qualify” going on
+ I think BA possess the data to know what each gold makes them, and who’d they want to keep
+ whilst FT may be frequent flyer, the basis of this board is to make status for lowest possible cost, I understand why people are upset. I understand BAs view point
+ I see some people are aghast that their 2500 spend isn’t going to give them gold anymore; sorry, but you’re not profitable customers (and you’re not the marginal customer either)
I remember back in the 90s and early 2000s, BA Gold was super elusive (at least from a teenager in the 90s). I think they’re just taking it back there, and if one will be a gold going forward, it will be nice.
I’d have had some years where I’d easily have made gold on these rates, but as a mainly leisure traveller these days cannot do two programmes for the little work travel I have. I’d be ok with this but don’t have skin in the game.
I’m curious to know what happens with the corporate contracts where eg someone pays x due to corporate discount however actual cost is y, and at which point they get credited. Previously people seem to have said y mattered when calculating CIV.
#711




Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Switzerland
Programs: former many things
Posts: 6,887
More details over in the AY board.
#712




Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: United Kingdom
Programs: LEGO VIP
Posts: 299
My few observations:
+ quite a bit of the level setting should just be where Id qualify going on
+ I think BA possess the data to know what each gold makes them, and whod they want to keep
+ whilst FT may be frequent flyer, the basis of this board is to make status for lowest possible cost, I understand why people are upset. I understand BAs view point
+ I see some people are aghast that their 2500 spend isnt going to give them gold anymore; sorry, but youre not profitable customers (and youre not the marginal customer either)
I remember back in the 90s and early 2000s, BA Gold was super elusive (at least from a teenager in the 90s). I think theyre just taking it back there, and if one will be a gold going forward, it will be nice.
Id have had some years where Id easily have made gold on these rates, but as a mainly leisure traveller these days cannot do two programmes for the little work travel I have. Id be ok with this but dont have skin in the game.
Im curious to know what happens with the corporate contracts where eg someone pays x due to corporate discount however actual cost is y, and at which point they get credited. Previously people seem to have said y mattered when calculating CIV.
+ quite a bit of the level setting should just be where Id qualify going on
+ I think BA possess the data to know what each gold makes them, and whod they want to keep
+ whilst FT may be frequent flyer, the basis of this board is to make status for lowest possible cost, I understand why people are upset. I understand BAs view point
+ I see some people are aghast that their 2500 spend isnt going to give them gold anymore; sorry, but youre not profitable customers (and youre not the marginal customer either)
I remember back in the 90s and early 2000s, BA Gold was super elusive (at least from a teenager in the 90s). I think theyre just taking it back there, and if one will be a gold going forward, it will be nice.
Id have had some years where Id easily have made gold on these rates, but as a mainly leisure traveller these days cannot do two programmes for the little work travel I have. Id be ok with this but dont have skin in the game.
Im curious to know what happens with the corporate contracts where eg someone pays x due to corporate discount however actual cost is y, and at which point they get credited. Previously people seem to have said y mattered when calculating CIV.
#713

Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 12
Very sad to see BA leaving most of the customers away from the new but bad system. (what a BAD announcements)
My situation is I am currently BA silver and I still need 665pts to reach BA gold before 8 Feb next year.
Is is worth to get a run in Jan to reach it so I can get an year of BA gold plus another year of silver membership without paying anything further? (soft downgrade and end at Mar2027)
I would probably end my friendship with BA no matter how the decision takes.
Just try to enjoy the last privilege from the old systems.
My situation is I am currently BA silver and I still need 665pts to reach BA gold before 8 Feb next year.
Is is worth to get a run in Jan to reach it so I can get an year of BA gold plus another year of silver membership without paying anything further? (soft downgrade and end at Mar2027)
I would probably end my friendship with BA no matter how the decision takes.
Just try to enjoy the last privilege from the old systems.
#714


Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: London
Programs: BA GGL; EuroBonus Diamond
Posts: 2,047
I wonder if the number of credit card/premium account cancellations will see Barclays and Amex reconsider their relationships with BA. Amex must have already been pretty upset by the Barclays products a couple of years back.
#715


Join Date: Apr 2022
Programs: BAEC
Posts: 240
It appears that the soft landings will be no more, several posts made mention. So you would land at the tier based upon your tier points, which could be blue.
#716


Join Date: Mar 2023
Posts: 95
Thanks everyone for contributing, interesting points all round. For me GCH for ~10 years and just passed halfway to GFL.
I'll add my name to those who didn't ask for these changes, that said it always annoyed me the low tier points on economy fares which I often take for work (40 per tier points wasn't great). Fairly sure I'll end up dropping from GCH but being based in the USA the silver card will be pretty similar benefits.
I'm in flounge on 1st between 10:30am and 12:30pm if anyone wishes to commiserate.
I'll add my name to those who didn't ask for these changes, that said it always annoyed me the low tier points on economy fares which I often take for work (40 per tier points wasn't great). Fairly sure I'll end up dropping from GCH but being based in the USA the silver card will be pretty similar benefits.
I'm in flounge on 1st between 10:30am and 12:30pm if anyone wishes to commiserate.
#717

Join Date: Jul 2021
Location: London
Posts: 121
Not BA's Target
Like many I have been reflecting on the news and what it means in our household. We are both Silver and have sorted our renewal for the post 1 April 2025 world, so Will keep that until 31 March 2026.
We don't get much travel with work and when we do price wins for employers. We fall into the unfavoured old Silver bucket for a few reasons:
looking at LGW-CTA one way as an example, let's take a Wednesday in June and that is 220 base fare, 11 BA fees so 231 eligible spend or 231 new TPs. Cost with taxes in 278. You would need 27 single flights like that to retain Silver (other spend ignored).
Other shorthaul routes (old 40TP world). I have family near ZRH so again a 230 CE leg would be 169 base fare plus 9 BA fees (rest taxes) so 178 eligible spend and new TPs.
As others have said, for many status will go but if flying club you would still be happy. The real benefit which will be lost is status when in eco - the lounge etc has been so v handy when dashing post work for a flight etc.
In an ironic twist I have a MUC return already booked a few weeks back for May in CE to kick off my TP year. With the conversion of 13.35/TP, I believe that will give me 1,068 new TPs v 80 old. I certainly didn't pay that for my flight.
P.s. my better half got the email, but I haven't.
We don't get much travel with work and when we do price wins for employers. We fall into the unfavoured old Silver bucket for a few reasons:
- Family in Sicily (here now) so regular users of the CTA route in summer and of course it was an 80TP CE route, so you would have been mad not to book that unless pricess were v high. That netted 160 out of the gate (or more if family dictated other trips).
- Would look at price v TPs and therefore often book CE when looking to requalify. Of course mix of eco flying in there too using those handy benefits.
- Not much longhaul but where there was we would again do the maths/treat ourselves etc. Handy for TPs.
looking at LGW-CTA one way as an example, let's take a Wednesday in June and that is 220 base fare, 11 BA fees so 231 eligible spend or 231 new TPs. Cost with taxes in 278. You would need 27 single flights like that to retain Silver (other spend ignored).
Other shorthaul routes (old 40TP world). I have family near ZRH so again a 230 CE leg would be 169 base fare plus 9 BA fees (rest taxes) so 178 eligible spend and new TPs.
As others have said, for many status will go but if flying club you would still be happy. The real benefit which will be lost is status when in eco - the lounge etc has been so v handy when dashing post work for a flight etc.
In an ironic twist I have a MUC return already booked a few weeks back for May in CE to kick off my TP year. With the conversion of 13.35/TP, I believe that will give me 1,068 new TPs v 80 old. I certainly didn't pay that for my flight.
P.s. my better half got the email, but I haven't.
Last edited by Kranebitten; Dec 30, 2024 at 1:31 pm
#718



Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Mexico
Programs: BAEC Gold / TK M&S Elite / Marriott Titanium
Posts: 4,597
My few observations:
+ quite a bit of the level setting should just be where Id qualify going on
+ I think BA possess the data to know what each gold makes them, and whod they want to keep
+ whilst FT may be frequent flyer, the basis of this board is to make status for lowest possible cost, I understand why people are upset. I understand BAs view point
+ I see some people are aghast that their 2500 spend isnt going to give them gold anymore; sorry, but youre not profitable customers (and youre not the marginal customer either)
I remember back in the 90s and early 2000s, BA Gold was super elusive (at least from a teenager in the 90s). I think theyre just taking it back there, and if one will be a gold going forward, it will be nice.
Id have had some years where Id easily have made gold on these rates, but as a mainly leisure traveller these days cannot do two programmes for the little work travel I have. Id be ok with this but dont have skin in the game.
Im curious to know what happens with the corporate contracts where eg someone pays x due to corporate discount however actual cost is y, and at which point they get credited. Previously people seem to have said y mattered when calculating CIV.
+ quite a bit of the level setting should just be where Id qualify going on
+ I think BA possess the data to know what each gold makes them, and whod they want to keep
+ whilst FT may be frequent flyer, the basis of this board is to make status for lowest possible cost, I understand why people are upset. I understand BAs view point
+ I see some people are aghast that their 2500 spend isnt going to give them gold anymore; sorry, but youre not profitable customers (and youre not the marginal customer either)
I remember back in the 90s and early 2000s, BA Gold was super elusive (at least from a teenager in the 90s). I think theyre just taking it back there, and if one will be a gold going forward, it will be nice.
Id have had some years where Id easily have made gold on these rates, but as a mainly leisure traveller these days cannot do two programmes for the little work travel I have. Id be ok with this but dont have skin in the game.
Im curious to know what happens with the corporate contracts where eg someone pays x due to corporate discount however actual cost is y, and at which point they get credited. Previously people seem to have said y mattered when calculating CIV.
#719


Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: London
Programs: BA GGL / Concorde Room
Posts: 526
Could someone please post a link to the current (i.e. now old) Executive Club T & C. Maybe my own ineptitude, but I'm struggling to find them and wonder if they've been strategically removed...
#720


Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: London. Or a plane.
Programs: "Only" 650,000 nTPs until BA GGLfL
Posts: 2,881
I find the capping of the Amex points baffling. BA are following the US carrier - where there you can now get top tier status by just spending a ton of money on their card ($200k per year = AA Exec Plat, OWE). BA seem to have opted for a mix of the worst of the US system with the worst of their old one?

