Mar 11, 2020, 10:13 am
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Any member who can provide a constructive, helpful answer to a question; or post constructively in reply to a member's point-of-view, is welcome to post.
All FT rules apply, including avoiding personalized, snarky, political, other off-topic, commercial, and repeatedly disruptive content.
Discussion of general economic impacts of Covid-19 belongs in the OMNI forum, not here.
Discussion and critique of political/government actions to aid the economy or which is far more political than related to COVID-19 is for the OMNI/PR forum, not here.
This is a protocol for posting adopted by the forum Moderator team:Please follow this protocol, based on FlyerTalk Rules and long-standing FlyerTalk best practices. Doing so will help keep the thread open, and allow our moderator team to aid members, rather than having to resort to discipline.
Constructive, respectful posts, views, opinions, questions, and replies, related to the topic are welcome. Avoid commenting on members personally, or posting off-topic or political messages.
While respectful disagreement of a posted view is allowed, dont call-out posters to prove their points. FlyerTalk has never required discussion standards at the level of a Ph.D. dissertation defense, or a trial court witness cross-examination.
After a reasonable exchange of views on a point, please yield the floor so that others may bring up different topics, questions or points.
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Please stay healthy,
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COVID-19: Lounge thread for thoughts, concerns and questions
Mar 6, 2020 | 9:18 am
#91
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If you want to worry about anyone in America today, worry about the Grand Princess pax. They're going to have to get lucky to have no one with corona on that ship. Now they could get lucky. It could be the Westerdam. But those odds are well below 50%. And if somebody does test positive, what the heck are the authorities going to do? First, I am sure they'll get them off the boat somewhere. But where? And who? And do they let folks testing negative fly home and self-quarantine (I think they have to, but do they let them leave immediately?). It may not be pretty. Fingers crossed for the best.
Personally, I think the world needs to stop cruising for about 2 months. I'm sorry about that, but I think it's best.
Personally, I think the world needs to stop cruising for about 2 months. I'm sorry about that, but I think it's best.
Mar 6, 2020 | 9:25 am
#92
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I'm the opposite of a panicky person, but I've got a flight booked to MAD at the end of the month and, if the flight were today, I wouldn't go. Not that I think I'd die or anything, but who needs to insert yourself into that unpredictable and undoubtedly no-fun situation? And, if I started to develop any cold/flu symptoms, I'd have to deal with that without the ease and safety net of my USA insurance in a medical world that I'm unfamiliar with and can't easily communicate. Doesn't seem like a great vacation to me. I'm not doing anything yet, but I think it very likely that I'll take the travel waiver from my airline. I suspect loads to Europe in the next few weeks will be extremely low for similar reasons.
Mar 6, 2020 | 10:39 am
#93
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The last two months was wasted by the Western World
We all arm chaired laughed, ridiculed, criticized what was happening in China and Far East and blamed their government or cultural or worse.
But if you were an engineer/scientist you could argue this was all predictable and what we could have done.
Ramp up facilities, start ramping supply stockpile, start draconian isolation before it got here. Of course all evidence suggest we'd have to have started that in January given how connect, but the reaction around the world today is like closing the barn door after all the animals have escaped.
Like many here I travel as part of work, my son does as well. He was pulled back with the China thing, my company was clear anyone ill no going to work either sick leave or WFH and self quarantine. But a self quarantine seems to be very personal value, look what happened at Dartmouth with that guy.
Now trust in our million year Darwin natural selection/evolution that the robust will come out of it!
We all arm chaired laughed, ridiculed, criticized what was happening in China and Far East and blamed their government or cultural or worse.
But if you were an engineer/scientist you could argue this was all predictable and what we could have done.
Ramp up facilities, start ramping supply stockpile, start draconian isolation before it got here. Of course all evidence suggest we'd have to have started that in January given how connect, but the reaction around the world today is like closing the barn door after all the animals have escaped.
Like many here I travel as part of work, my son does as well. He was pulled back with the China thing, my company was clear anyone ill no going to work either sick leave or WFH and self quarantine. But a self quarantine seems to be very personal value, look what happened at Dartmouth with that guy.
Now trust in our million year Darwin natural selection/evolution that the robust will come out of it!
Mar 6, 2020 | 11:16 am
#95
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: SF Bay Area
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If you want to worry about anyone in America today, worry about the Grand Princess pax. They're going to have to get lucky to have no one with corona on that ship. Now they could get lucky. It could be the Westerdam. But those odds are well below 50%. And if somebody does test positive, what the heck are the authorities going to do? First, I am sure they'll get them off the boat somewhere. But where? And who? And do they let folks testing negative fly home and self-quarantine (I think they have to, but do they let them leave immediately?). It may not be pretty. Fingers crossed for the best.
Personally, I think the world needs to stop cruising for about 2 months. I'm sorry about that, but I think it's best.
Personally, I think the world needs to stop cruising for about 2 months. I'm sorry about that, but I think it's best.
Mar 6, 2020 | 11:19 am
#96
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Hospital employee that broke quarantine to attend a party and has apparently infected others now.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/04/u...dartmouth.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/04/u...dartmouth.html
Mar 6, 2020 | 11:21 am
#97
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 7,359
When the results are known, and given the overwhelming majority opinion that cruise trips should be avoided for the time being, I'm awfully curious to see how CA handles this situation. In light of all the criticism levied towards Japan, at least they can claim it caught them completely off guard.
Mar 6, 2020 | 5:23 pm
#98
Join Date: Feb 2013
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Not just China ... downplaying the problem ... this is exactly what the US government is doing right now. At least the Chinese government eventually realized they made a mistake by hiding the severity. Not sure what it takes for our leaders here to get to that point.
Mar 6, 2020 | 7:03 pm
#99
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Posts: 126
Which airline will be the next to fall due to the virus?
Mar 6, 2020 | 11:53 pm
#100
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Has anyone so far been on a work trip and ended up quarantined in another country? If so, I would like to hear about your experience. My wife has work travel next month.
Mar 7, 2020 | 12:32 am
#101
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Mar 7, 2020 | 1:31 am
#102
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Mar 7, 2020 | 1:53 am
#103
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Mar 7, 2020 | 2:03 am
#104
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Any country can by refusing any cruise ship to dock and any currently docked one to leave.
Last edited by invisible; Mar 7, 2020 at 2:24 am
Mar 7, 2020 | 2:19 am
#105
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