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Sep 27, 2013 | 2:23 pm

#316

Kagehitokiri

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forum error, these were replies to BaumeMercier
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/techn...times-etc.html

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Sep 27, 2013 | 2:54 pm

#317

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Kage, why do you say GHM might be losing more properties in the pipeline?

Sep 27, 2013 | 3:23 pm

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GHM may be losing more properties in development pipeline.
so i wonder about some of announcements.

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Originally Posted by BaumeMercier

Kage, why do you say GHM might be losing more properties in the pipeline?

when there are all the disappearing references, GM for suzhou moving to andermatt may not be usual move. not to mention the losses of operating hotels.

actual details on maldives >

"the problem" - connected to an inhabited island, and next to more
satellite https://maps.google.com/maps?q=e+Dha...pparu&t=h&z=13
view of other islands http://www.panoramio.com/photo/72543246 (although east will be unobstructed)

http://www.ghmhotels.com/en/ghm/proj...ls-english,all
http://www.ghmhotels.com/en/ghm/proj...glish,all#news

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Chedi Dhapparu
55-hectare, crescent-shaped atoll -- the largest habitable island in the Maldives
20 minutes by speedboat from Hanimadhoo International Airport

90 hotel-managed residential villas
one to four bedrooms, cover up to 565 square metres

40 90-square metre Chedi Club Suites
half of the will have private pools
half of which will hover over crystal-clear waters

club lounge catering to guests lodged in the [20] over-water suites

four food-and-beverage outlets
dinner-only venue serving specialties from the Maldives, India and Sri Lanka
Japanese restaurant that takes advantage of the resort’s access to fresh seafood

first project in the Maldives with a license to sell real estate titles

(actually soneva and viceroy are selling, six senses at least planned to sell, and one article said jumeirah planned to sell - all leasehold)

airport is northernmost, whereas GAN is southernmost ("international" in this case means flights to kerala india)

http://epa.gov.mv/index.php?option=c...2013&Itemid=32
http://epa.gov.mv/images/stories/eia...IA%20Final.pdf
page 40+ and page 273+ (page 282 is full resolution)
20 beach suites look like they share walls, in 5 blocks of 4 units
overwater(OW) lounge/pool shares walkway with 7 OW, isnt connected to walkway for other 13 OW
residences - 10 4BR, 20 2BR, 60 1BR (plus 20 "other plots" the size of 1BR, not sure what thats about)
12 1BR are second row behind a path and 4 of those have pool in rear of unit
page 53+ and page 287+ floorplans do look huge
page 117+ discusses beaches and beach problems
page 134+ shows inland body of water
page 307+ shows mid 2016 completion
"Mean Monthly Rainfall in Hanimaadhoo" for march is just about zero millimeters
"Dhapparu Island is located in a comparatively lower rainfall region of the Maldives"
the reef/bio/snorkeling/diving experts may be able to make out coral/bio details

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Oct 5, 2013 | 1:42 pm

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some aman bali reports from FTers >

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/membe...9876coins.html >
http://boardingarea.com/onemileatati...li-experience/
http://boardingarea.com/onemileatati...-introduction/
http://boardingarea.com/onemileatati...amandari-bali/ >

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Originally Posted by lucky9876coins

Here’s the problem with writing a review of an Aman — there’s something so indescribably special about the experience that it simply can’t be conveyed in a blog or in 580 pixel pictures.
The entire experience really just transforms the hospitality industry into just plain old hospitality, unlike what I’ve experienced anywhere else. I’ll do my best to convey that in this review, though I’ll note that I was at the Amans in India about two years ago, and when I started planning this trip to Bali with my mom I said to myself “hmm, was the Aman experience really that special, or was I exaggerating things in my memory?” And the answer was simple — yes, the experience is that amazing.

great quote in comments >

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Flyertalk’s Aman forums

trackback in comments - another dari report with tons of pics >
edit >

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Originally Posted by cyby

Just stayed at Amandari and Amankila - have my trip report here at:

http://automorphism.wordpress.com

Only the Amandari one is up - Amankila to come next week...

nice to see you on luxury hotels forum, thanks for posting/linking the great report!

http://automorphism.wordpress.com/20...andari-part-1/
http://automorphism.wordpress.com/20...andari-part-2/

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Originally Posted by cyby

I found it potentially difficult to justify $1000 USD a night, but having stayed at these, I have concluded that they are completely worth every last penny.

we opted for the air conditioner and the windows closed, which offered us a relatively quiet experience, with just traces of wildlife noises making it through

back to http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/membe...9876coins.html >
http://boardingarea.com/onemileatati...amankila-bali/
incl more ocean suite 37 pics as well as pool area at night

(all 3 reports have an enormous number of pics incl menus and dari activity list)

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also, an alternative to $6253/nt amanikan > http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/cruis...t-1750-nt.html
(positive comments on alila > http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luxur...orts-bali.html)

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Oct 6, 2013 | 7:02 am

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Kage I don't think you should start comparing Alila with GHM or Aman - it is a much inferior product. Sort of low-level Banyan Tree.

Oct 6, 2013 | 7:12 am

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Aman Rwanda?
http://www.rwandaeye.com/news/3050/a...rwanda-market/

Oct 6, 2013 | 9:00 am

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Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri

also, an alternative to $6253/nt amanikan > http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/cruis...t-1750-nt.html
(positive comments on alila > http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luxur...orts-bali.html)

Quote:

Originally Posted by vuittonsofstyle

Kage I don't think you should start comparing Alila with GHM or Aman - it is a much inferior product. Sort of low-level Banyan Tree.

i did not compare alila. aman no longer does individual reservations, and alila added individual reservations. alila is a third of the cost. can always hope aman brings back a boat with individual reservations in future.

the positive comments i linked >

Quote:

Originally Posted by ngfan

+1 from me. An excellent, well-built modern property. What an excellent breakfast i.e. Very stylish design with great substance.

Aside from the Amans it has become my preferred property on the island

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Originally Posted by deer

Alila Soori a very good resort with brillant modern design

Food is excellent, and the value is, especially compared to Four Seasons and Bulgari, very good.

Do go there!

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Originally Posted by xracer

Concur with all of the points above. We had a great time at Alila Soori. In addition, service was outstanding.

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Originally Posted by Ozchinois

I have stayed at all 3 chains and I think if you stayed at Alila Uluwatu and opted for the most indulgent service, IMHO it can easily compare with GHM and Aman.

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Oct 6, 2013 | 9:02 am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ericka

Aman Rwanda?
http://www.rwandaeye.com/news/3050/a...rwanda-market/

This is no good news. I think nobody, not even Zecha should make business with a government, where press and opposition are suppressed, where same sex relations are an official crime, and where 90% of the Tutsi minority was genocided a few years ago...

I strongly hope, there will be no deal, and no Aman...

Oct 6, 2013 | 3:50 pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ericka

Aman Rwanda?
http://www.rwandaeye.com/news/3050/a...rwanda-market/

thanks Ericka!

Quote:

Originally Posted by deer

(GHM is in oman, was in burma for a while, and is planning UAE.)
zecha looks at a lot of places way in advance, and i think i found original article and actual translation.

http://kigalitoday.com/spip.php?article13257

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Kagame, tariki [oct 3 2013] Zecha

http://www.newtimes.co.rw/news/index...=15500&a=70977

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Originally Posted by zecha

“I am delighted to be here because I will be able to see for myself the potential Rwanda has. The next step which is important, is to find the right spot for construction of the hotel...I hope to come back in January or February to see more places.”

http://investing.thisismoney.co.uk/n...cle/id/4673760

Quote:

Playa Grande...construction of the Aman hotel infrastructure is almost complete in line with the planned budget and timeline. Construction of the first Aman hotel mock-up pavilion commenced in August 2013 and is due for completion by year end...One reservation agreement and one final purchase contract have been signed for the sale of two Playa Grande Aman Founder Villas to two NY-based clients.

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Oct 8, 2013 | 2:52 pm

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Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri

http://trademarks.justia.com/owners/...291/index.html
there have been previous posts on trademarks and domain names

back to trademarks >

(some more abandoned/suspended)

(new) amanwadi (wadi rum? that came up before)
sep 11 2013 Filing Date
sep 14 2013 NEW APPLICATION ENTERED IN TRAM
sep 18 2013 NEW APPLICATION OFFICE SUPPLIED DATA ENTERED IN TRAM

apr 12/14 2013 >

Quote:

Originally Posted by RivieraTraveler

Aman Lijiang will be called AmanDayan
http://www.hotelchatter.com/story/20...orts_This_Year

kind of an interesting side regardless, but this might be particularly interesting >
http://somenotesfromabroad.blogspot..../08/china.html (the date - aug 2011)

Quote:

AmanDayan – 29 Shishan Road (Gucheng); 011-86-; amanresorts.com; in UNESCO-protected Old Town.
2:12 PM 2011-08-20T14:12:00-5:00

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Oct 12, 2013 | 6:40 pm

#326

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Anyone with news on the sale of Aman or the MBO of Aman ?
Might I suggest that if there is a stalemate , that mr AZ and the (latest ) owners of Regent Hotels get together and work out a deal ?!
It may have even happened for all we know.
I can't think of a more perfect match .

Regent + Aman , the perfect couple .^
@:-)

Oct 15, 2013 | 7:01 pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vuittonsofstyle

Kage I don't think you should start comparing Alila with GHM or Aman - it is a much inferior product. Sort of low-level Banyan Tree.

I have stayed at all 3 chains and I think if you stayed at Alila Uluwatu and opted for the most indulgent service, IMHO it can easily compare with GHM and Aman.

Oct 16, 2013 | 5:46 am

#328

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Quote:

Originally Posted by deer

While I have every sympathy for that view, I might add that many people travel to Rwanda fully aware of the political context. They go there to see the mountain gorillas and the presence of tourists helps towards conservation efforts. I'm sure Mr Zecha is thinking about some sort of sensitive game lodge rather than a sybaritic resort as you get in Bali.

Oct 23, 2013 | 5:23 pm

#329

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Rwanda/Gabon Amans?

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Originally Posted by deer

For the record, Rwanda did NOT pass any anti-gay law--though it was considered. http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/...w-reform/20722

And while I applaud interest in nations supporting free press and political freedoms, the fact is that luxury properties are already located throughout the world in places of dubious political freedoms (China, for example?) and/or lack of free press. The Tutsi genocide was quite some time ago, and holding the country forever responsible for such horrible acts would preclude luxury properties or businesses operating in many places in the world!

Personally, I would love to see a Rwandan Aman property.

The article indicates there has not been previous sub-Saharan investment from Aman. What ever happened to the Gabon properties being considered/constructed?

Oct 28, 2013 | 2:30 am

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Some updates about Aman in China.

AmanDayan opening date has been postponed to mid 2014.

Few photos found on social mediate site.

Aman in Diqin, Yunnan province in southwest China. Starting construction earlier this year, so opening could be around 2015.

Same owner is planning to sigh another management contract with Aman in Fujian province.