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SAS plans to leave Star Alliance and join SkyTeam
On the 3rd of October SAS announced further steps as part of their SAS FORWARD plan. SAS has raised nearly 12.9 billion SEK as part of their Chapter 11 restructuring process. This will mean current shareholders are wiped out and the company will be delisted.
The new owners include Air France-KLM, Castlelake, Lind Invest and the Danish state.
As such, SAS plans to leave Star Alliance and join Air France-KLM's Sky Team alliance by summer 2024.
FAQ:
What does this mean for EuroBonus?
SAS EuroBonus FAQ:
On October 3rd 2023, SAS announced the intention to eventually join SkyTeam and leave Star Alliance. For now the EuroBonus program remains unchanged. SAS will keep you informed about what to expect over the coming months and will provide updates continuously on the EuroBonus website.
1. What will happen to EuroBonus?
2. What will happen to my EuroBonus points?
3. What will happen to my EuroBonus tier status?
4. What will happen to my EuroBonus Lifetime Gold status?
5. Do I keep my status benefits when I travel on another Star Alliance partner airline?
6. Can I still earn points when I fly on another Star Alliance carrier?
7. What will happen to my existing Star Alliance award bookings?
8. Can I still use my points to redeem on other Star Alliance carriers?
9. Can I still earn points on credits cards and other non-airline partners?
10. Can I still use my EuroBonus points on non-airline partners such as rental cars or hotels?
Will there be opportunities to match with other programs to remain in *A?
Will AF - KLM take over control of SAS?
What is the ratio of the new ownership?
What happens to existing SAS shares?
Will SAS change their HUB strategy or move their HQ to Denmark?
Will SAS join the SkyTeam transatlantic Joint Venture?
How was this decided?
What is the process now?
Sources and links:
- SAS Press Release
- Communication E-Mail sent to EB members can be found in Post 114
- E24 (Information with regards to EuroBonus. Thanks to matin for the find in Post 64)
- Reuters
- AF-KLM Press Release
- SAS EuroBonus FAQ (Thanks again to matin for the find in Post 237)
- DInside on Merger of EuroBonus into FlyingBlue (Thanks to Frederik74 for the find in Post 473)
On the 3rd of October SAS announced further steps as part of their SAS FORWARD plan. SAS has raised nearly 12.9 billion SEK as part of their Chapter 11 restructuring process. This will mean current shareholders are wiped out and the company will be delisted.
The new owners include Air France-KLM, Castlelake, Lind Invest and the Danish state.
As such, SAS plans to leave Star Alliance and join Air France-KLM's Sky Team alliance by summer 2024.
FAQ:
What does this mean for EuroBonus?
- Eurobonus members can still book travel on Star Alliance carriers until the end of the transition period.
Future affiliation with Air France-KLM's Flying Blue frequent flyer programme has not yet been decided.- In the meantime the agreement between SAS and the investing consortium includes a provision for preparations of merging EuroBonus into FlyingBlue once AF-KLM owns more than 50% of the outstanding shares. It thus seems very likely that EuroBonus will ultimately be merged into FlyingBlue, the timeline and details of this are, however, still unclear.
SAS EuroBonus FAQ:
On October 3rd 2023, SAS announced the intention to eventually join SkyTeam and leave Star Alliance. For now the EuroBonus program remains unchanged. SAS will keep you informed about what to expect over the coming months and will provide updates continuously on the EuroBonus website.
1. What will happen to EuroBonus?
- No changes are being made to the program and EuroBonus will remain SAS's loyalty program. As a member, you will continue to earn and use points on SAS as today. Your status and benefits as a EuroBonus member when you fly with SAS will not be impacted. Delivering an attractive loyalty program to SAS's loyal customers will remain the top priority for us and our new owners, even after SAS changes ownership and alliance. SAS intends to eventually leave Star Alliance and join SkyTeam, and adjustments to the program will be made accordingly. As long as SAS is a member of Star Alliance, EuroBonus members can continue to enjoy the same benefits as they do today when flying on a Star Alliance partner airline.
2. What will happen to my EuroBonus points?
- No changes are made to your EuroBonus points. You will keep all points earned until now and will continue to earn and use points just like today.
3. What will happen to my EuroBonus tier status?
- No changes are made to your EuroBonus tier status. You will retain your status and your progress made during your qualification period. Requirements to reach each tier level and benefits included in each tier remain the same.
4. What will happen to my EuroBonus Lifetime Gold status?
- No changes are made to the EuroBonus Lifetime Gold program. EuroBonus Lifetime Gold memberships will be honored even after SAS joins SkyTeam, and all progress made towards Lifetime Gold will be kept.
5. Do I keep my status benefits when I travel on another Star Alliance partner airline?
- While SAS remains part of Star Alliance, you will enjoy the same status benefits as you do today when you fly with a Star Alliance partner When SAS eventually joins SkyTeam, you will also be able to enjoy similar status benefits across the extensive SkyTeam network.
6. Can I still earn points when I fly on another Star Alliance carrier?
- While SAS remains part of Star Alliance, you will be able to earn EuroBonus Basic points when flying on a Star Alliance airline partner flights
7. What will happen to my existing Star Alliance award bookings?
- Existing bookings remain unchanged and will be honored even if you fly after SAS eventually leaves Star Alliance
8. Can I still use my points to redeem on other Star Alliance carriers?
- While SAS remains part of Star Alliance, we will allow you to use EuroBonus points to book Star Alliance award trips
9. Can I still earn points on credits cards and other non-airline partners?
- Yes
10. Can I still use my EuroBonus points on non-airline partners such as rental cars or hotels?
- Yes
- While SAS remains part of Star Alliance, members of other Star Alliance member programs will keep their status benefits while flying on SAS, and will be able to spend their miles/points on SAS flights
Will there be opportunities to match with other programs to remain in *A?
- Most likely yes, but it will have yet to be seen what opportunities will present itself.
Will AF - KLM take over control of SAS?
- After a minimum of two years and pending regulatory permission, AF - KLM may increase its stake to grant it controlling power over SAS. However, the current situation indicates that there are agreements within the consortium, which would de facto give AF - KLM control with regards to certain aspects of SAS operations (as seen by the announcement to leave *A and join ST).
What is the ratio of the new ownership?
- Castlelake: 32%
- AF - KLM: 19.9%
- Danish State: 25.8%
- Lind Invest: 8.6%
- Remaining equity to be distributed to existing creditors.
What happens to existing SAS shares?
- This process makes current SAS shares lose their value. Some existing shareholders expressed displeasure about the decision and are questioning wether an American court can rule on making existing shares of SAS lose their value. It remains to be seen if legal action is taken.
Will SAS change their HUB strategy or move their HQ to Denmark?
- This is as of yet unconfirmed but it seems likely that SAS might focus on CPH and move its HQ.
Will SAS join the SkyTeam transatlantic Joint Venture?
- This is the stated goal of AF-KLM CEO, but will require regulatory approval.
How was this decided?
- There was a bidding process and two bids were received. Private Equity company Apollo Global Invest had expressed interest in taking control of the airline.
- The decision on the bids was taken roughly 30 minutes before the press conference on October 3rd as stated by Dilling.
What is the process now?
- Nothing changes immediately. As of now SAS is still a member of Star Alliance and will continue to operate normally for the foreseeable future.
- The announcements made today reflect the future plans, which are subject to approval by many different entities and regulatory bodies. These include the courts in the US to approve the Chapter 11 process, courts in Sweden which will have to approve the restructuring (and invalidation of shares), as well as the following, as taken out of the SAS press release: "(...) antitrust authorities, civil aviation authorities, the European Commission, and EFTA Surveillance Authority (as applicable), SAS leaving Star Alliance, the implementation of a Swedish Reorganization at the SAS AB level, and other customary conditions. There currently remains uncertainty in respect of satisfying such conditions and obtaining required approvals (...)".
- We should hear more about if this is going through in the next couple of weeks.
- SAS plans to exit Chapter 11 in Q2 2024 and leave Star Alliance and join SkyTeam before summer 2024.
Sources and links:
- SAS Press Release
- Communication E-Mail sent to EB members can be found in Post 114
- E24 (Information with regards to EuroBonus. Thanks to matin for the find in Post 64)
- Reuters
- AF-KLM Press Release
- SAS EuroBonus FAQ (Thanks again to matin for the find in Post 237)
- DInside on Merger of EuroBonus into FlyingBlue (Thanks to Frederik74 for the find in Post 473)
SAS to leave Star Alliance and join SkyTeam [eff. 01 Sep 2024]
#856
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Probably not too far away from wherever you are
Programs: SAS EBD, Marriott Lifetime Titanium, Hilton Diamond, United MileagePlus Silver, AA Lifetime Gold
Posts: 211
*A membership doesn't help carriers like LO/TP/SK at all. Feeders to their hub by the *A partners has to be paid for at contracted rates. The longhaul leg has to be on SAS metal, they can't sell *A alternatives. So SAS can really only sell tickets to their US gateways. There the frequency matters. A business trip to/from a destination that only has SAS flights on a certain week day or longhaul flights that don't align with a feeder flight cannot be sold or requires significant discounts of 20-30%.
I still don't think anyone in Scandinavia is ready to pay 30% more for flights, so I hope they achieve cost optimisation benefits in other ways as you described further up in the thread above.
#857
Join Date: Oct 2011
Programs: EuroBonus Diamond, Delta Skymiles 360, BAEC LTG, Hilton Diamond, Marriott Ambassador
Posts: 2,863
No one here really articulates how getting into the Sky Team JV increases the value to SK passengers. What we are mostly hearing is that SK will potentially be able to charge more to a market that is already price sensitive. So actually the hard and soft product do matter, because how will you motivate people paying more for the same service with only the alliance being different?
I'm sure people would if there were (more) direct flights to their destinations.
#858
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 440
*A membership doesn't help carriers like LO/TP/SK at all. Feeders to their hub by the *A partners has to be paid for at contracted rates. The longhaul leg has to be on SAS metal, they can't sell *A alternatives. So SAS can really only sell tickets to their US gateways. There the frequency matters. A business trip to/from a destination that only has SAS flights on a certain week day or longhaul flights that don't align with a feeder flight cannot be sold or requires significant discounts of 20-30%.
The JVs are for the benefit of the members of the cartel, not the passengers, or not intended to be for passengers' wallets. You pay more for the absence of competition.
TP is going the spoiler route, pricing way below other *A carriers, and below OW too. Its J IIRC is below many other carriers and the back of the bus is Ryanair TATL. Their pricing is extremely competitive.
#859
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 440
I think this is the most logical explanation I have seen about this on the forum ☺️
I still don't think anyone in Scandinavia is ready to pay 30% more for flights, so I hope they achieve cost optimisation benefits in other ways as you described further up in the thread above.
I still don't think anyone in Scandinavia is ready to pay 30% more for flights, so I hope they achieve cost optimisation benefits in other ways as you described further up in the thread above.
They might not be ready but what else are they going to do? Certainly not take the train, which has become so unreliable it's pointless to try to take from CPH/ARN anywhere in Sweden. This summer, instead of trying yet again, I'm doing AMS-LPI rather than CPH-NRK on SJ.
#860
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: VIE
Programs: SAS EBS / *A Silver, Hilton Diamond, Radisson VIP, IHG Platinum Ambassador
Posts: 3,929
That being said, AFKL is the smallest of big 4 EU airlines so I don't see a problem with SK acquisition, nor with a joint venture.
#861
Join Date: Jul 2004
Programs: DL; AA; UA; CO; LHLX; NZ; QR; EK; BA
Posts: 7,443
Having the three current JVs has turned this into an oligopoly, not a monopoly. Price competition still exists; Oneworld offers quite competitive TATL J fares to/from FRA and AMS for example; Skyteam offers very good fares to/from BCN is another example.
#862
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Probably not too far away from wherever you are
Programs: SAS EBD, Marriott Lifetime Titanium, Hilton Diamond, United MileagePlus Silver, AA Lifetime Gold
Posts: 211
Then perhaps we need fewer airlines if having more of them increases prices EC's job is to look after consumers, not shareholders. If those joint ventures wouldn't exist, what would be the negative impact? Would TATL flights suddenly cease to operate?
That being said, AFKL is the smallest of big 4 EU airlines so I don't see a problem with SK acquisition, nor with a joint venture.
That being said, AFKL is the smallest of big 4 EU airlines so I don't see a problem with SK acquisition, nor with a joint venture.
So instead of already being able to get to where I need to for reasonable prices, I am told to just pay more to potentially subsidise opening up direct markets that I have no interest in. 🙃
I won't get any value in being an SK member once they are in the Sky Team JV, but I am happy others will. Luckily, I have EB Lifetime Gold. And if they choose to do something for long-term Diamonds, I can focus my energy on the cheapest options. With a 20-30% markup incoming, that won't be SK. 🙃
Last edited by dark_phoenix; Apr 16, 2024 at 12:13 pm Reason: Edited for grammar :)
#863
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Europe
Programs: Flying Blue: Platinum for Life Elite Plus - EuroBonus: Gold
Posts: 935
Confirmed that Lufthansa will have a status match:
https://www.dn.no/luftfart/sas/lufth...ch/2-1-1628118
https://www.dn.no/luftfart/sas/lufth...ch/2-1-1628118
#865
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,784
I think there is a pretty good chance your wish could come true. Since LH runs their status on a calendar year basis and there would only be 4 months left of the year to requalify (unrealistic).
#867
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: OSL
Programs: SK*Gold
Posts: 426
Would it make sense for them to require one flight while SK is still in *A so that they could verify that someone is SK*G? After SK leaves *A, it might be hard for them to know for sure who is SK Gold.
#868
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Probably not too far away from wherever you are
Programs: SAS EBD, Marriott Lifetime Titanium, Hilton Diamond, United MileagePlus Silver, AA Lifetime Gold
Posts: 211
But SK doesn't have to worry once all that extra Sky Team JV money starts rolling in from the higher fares they're eager to charge 😉🙃
#869
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: VIE
Programs: SAS EBS / *A Silver, Hilton Diamond, Radisson VIP, IHG Platinum Ambassador
Posts: 3,929
For M&M this is an opportunity to keep me flying LO for a bit longer after I switched to SkyTeam (before the SK announcement) for most of my flights.
#870
Moderator: Lufthansa Miles & More, India based airlines, India, External Miles & Points Resources
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MUC
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 48,399
When you sign up with intermediaries like statusmatch.com you waive your privacy rights to that company to validate the status you say you have.