TravellingChris

Unfortunately I think that's what you're going to see...a lot of long-haul traffic routed through AMS or CDG at the expense of CPH and ARN.
SAS' network to Asia is only a shadow of what it once was, and this deal isn't going to help in that respect.
The other issue is that both LOT and Finnair have built up their East Asian business. Even if the goal was to build up CPH's connectivity to Asia following the AF/KL deal, SAS would have a hard time trying to compete with two nearby major hubs within its own group (CDG and AMS), as well as Finnair at HEL and LOT at WAW.
Of course with the Russian airspace situation many East Asian routes aren't very viable for European carriers anyway and the longer travel times aren't appealing for passengers.

GinFizz

I assume that what the poster means is that the information is not available to LH *without* a confirmed booking (possible of course that they could offer a status match only after booking a LH group flight - but that is certainly not the way these things usually work).

oliver2002

That is part of the *A CITP, the operating carriers DCS queries the system for status info automatically. When you buy a ticket you give the airline the right to query your personal data from your loyalty program.

For a status match the matching airline would have to do a query completely unrelated to any travel activity. That is not allowed.

CPH-Flyer

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They could put it in to the conditions of the status match that they will query the system. In order to get the status match you give the airline the right to get personal data from the Star Alliance system.

Stil

But would SK be OK with that, I'm doubtful?

AC made a status match campaign towards US competition in the wake of the pandemic and it was probably one of the biggest disasters execution vice in AC history. I basically think that AC managed to piss everybody off, both existing and new customers. And I'll put my head on the block and say it did cost AC a substantial amount of money.

So when the status match mayhem starts Airlines really have to be prepared for fraudsters and make sure that they have thought it through. In AC's case and if my memory doesn't fail me, it ended up with legal battles and threatening of such, involving top tier US FF and fraudsters alike.

CPH-Flyer

SK might not be OK with it, but unless they want to pull the Eurobonus member data from the Star Alliance system, and upset their members by getting them denied *G benefits in the last weeks/months of Star Alliance participation, there is not much SK can do about it.....

Stil

I don't know enough about the legalicys to be certain about it, but I don't think it that straight forward? But time will tell I guess.

maestro1981

Hi All,

At Gdańsk GDN airport now, flying SAS as a *G member. Been denied access to the lounge here and told by both check-in staff and lounge staff that as of two days ago, *G members flying SAS no longer have lounge access due to this. Thought it beneficial to write here for others to know.

abelincoln

Been like that for many years. SAS doesn�t pay for contract lounge access (hopefully that policy will change once they join ST), so unless it�s a *A lounge like in WAW, you don�t have access.

However if you fly e.g. LH as SK *G you do have access to contract lounges.

Jainzar

Here is the link to the thread started in 2016: Airport-managed lounges discontinued for SAS passengers.

profguy

Nick Art - Thanks for the information. This is very useful.

I am one of those rare folks who is happy with the switch, as I have high status in the SkyTeam. In May I bought first class tickets on SAS and joined EuroBonus as it was the best flight. Does anyone know how these Eurobonus miles will transfer to my SkyMiles account?

Personally, if Lufthansa were to switch to SkyTeam my world would then be perfect. But, everyone has a different situation.

Happy flying!

PS - I will confess my favorite lounges are not SkyTeam
1- Turkish Airlines Istanbul - Star
2- United Chicago - Star
3 - Lufthansa Frankfurt - Star
4 - Delta Atlanta - Sky Team

Jainzar

Likely the same as it works nowadays with Flying Blue: there is no direct way.

dodgeflyer

I would be highly shocked if you see lots of traffic routed through CDG/AMS. Who is going to make that decision? If the board consists of 10 members, most likely, they�ll have two board representations. Regardless, BoDs job does not involve day to day planning.

AFKLM owns 19.9% of the airline. The fund and Danish state jointly control the equity, in addition, the fund controls most of the debt.

If the business plan is to route traffic through AMSCDG; the JV agreements which I don�t fully understand, would need to be significantly in the feeder airlines favour. I understand that it only applies on l/h metal, and I assume it is pro rata to seats supplied transatlantic. Feeding through AMSCDG in other words would mean more profit to AFKLM. Why would the majority owners allow this?

I think the rationale for AFKLM is as follows
- they�re a major airline in the nordics but most likely losing significant customer volumes given the EB captive base. They will now either be able to �control� said customer base through a switch to FB (which may be implemented as a cost cutting exercise) or by virtue of ST, significantly improving passenger flow.
- if SAS is successful as a stand alone entity, they will have value loss through its acquisition at a later stage) but given the history, clear they�re not willing to outright acquire the business today
- if it isn�t successful, then a) they can still acquire down the line at similar or lower valuation, and regardless they would have been given to the customer base

The majority owners would not want redirect massively traffic flow to AFKLM; that�ll represent negligible value to them.

I think this will mean significant investment in the l/h network for SAS; the ones paying the worst price will be the swedes. No real staff presence, no desire to put new routes in ARN. I still believe OSL will do OK but that�s also based on the old adage it is the only profitable entity which can easily no longer be true.

I think it is a real shame that SAS as three-party cooperation is effectively over, but if being real, it was that when deregulation happened. They just eked it out for very long�

dodgeflyer

I think the last real precedent of a program merger (ie not converting to a common currency like OW and Avios airlines are doing) was when BD was acquired by BA. however the comparison here of course would be that your SAS miles may be converted into FB, and of course not SM.

nacho

I doubt that KE is coming to Scandinavia, Korea is not a big trading partner/there is enough # of pax from Korea to Scandinavia. The Ukraine situation is not going away in the near future so I don't know if it makes sense for KE to fly detour to OSL/ARN/CPH.

There are much nicer lounges in Asia. I haven't been ST lounge but many OW lounges are really nice.

CX lounges in HKG, LHR
QF lounge LHR
AA flagship lounge at LAX
BR lounge at TPE
NH lounge at NRT (I like the curry and ramen)
SQ KF lounges at SIN, HKG, BKK