SAS closes CPH-HKG
May 5, 2020, 11:38 am
#46
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Really? You must have been VERY unlucky. I'm going through ZRH like 2 to 3 times/month for the last few years and never had any bad experience.
May 5, 2020, 12:15 pm
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I would agree except ARN. Their separation of the terminals is unbelievable. T5 and T4 should be connected. I have run between them since I knew I could do the transfer faster than the bus in a worst case scenario and had 26 minutes for my HKG-ARN and my ARN-MMX. What is the point? Schengen-non-Schengen is one thing. This is ridiculous.I made it, but an additional security check made it very stressful....
May 5, 2020, 1:33 pm
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I would agree except ARN. Their separation of the terminals is unbelievable. T5 and T4 should be connected. I have run between them since I knew I could do the transfer faster than the bus in a worst case scenario and had 26 minutes for my HKG-ARN and my ARN-MMX. What is the point? Schengen-non-Schengen is one thing. This is ridiculous.I made it, but an additional security check made it very stressful....
Tullverket is the reason the airside transit bus doesn’t work to get to the domestic-only terminal at ARN.
May 7, 2020, 2:52 am
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The poor planning of Arlanda and incremental expansion without a long term vision, like everything in Sweden, seems to be getting in the way more than Tullverket. The continued operation of unnecessary terminals because of turboprop flights and other abysmal airline offerings primarily stands in the way of ARN just being 1 terminal. Being SK centric and limited Schengen-to-Schengen flight connections between different airlines has just allowed the airport's operations to recycle outdated infrastructure that has been long overdue for replacement.
May 7, 2020, 7:21 am
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When the airport owner/operator feels like there isn’t much competition in its face, then investing a lot of capital quickly in slow/low-return, expensive capital investment project seems like a sub-optimal use of capital. ARN is poorly positioned as a long-haul hub or even cross-European hub airport at this point. It isn't worth much more investment at this point in time beyond patchwork investments at this point and those investments required to avoid becoming infamously outdated in cosmetic ways.
Given the current situation with reduced air travel demand, what would be the point of a major, decade/decades-long, super expensive construction project to completely redesign the airport? Maybe as a make-work project as a form of fiscal stimulus?
Given the current situation with reduced air travel demand, what would be the point of a major, decade/decades-long, super expensive construction project to completely redesign the airport? Maybe as a make-work project as a form of fiscal stimulus?
May 7, 2020, 7:29 am
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HEL has positioned itself as a gateway to Asia. ARN has positioned itself as a gateway to.... Luleå?
May 7, 2020, 7:42 am
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May 7, 2020, 7:47 am
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May 7, 2020, 7:50 am
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I fell, part of it is just Swedish mentality. "it works", people get from A to B. That's fine. No need to change. All good.
There is just not a culture here in Sweden to improve things which are not perceived to be broken. And we can argue if the threshold of "something is broken" is very high here. In my opinion, and I just can't shake of my German-ness, Swedes are just incredible pain-tolerant and accepting the lowest levels of service and smilingly paying absurd amounts of money for it which in turn will help zilch in improving things since there is just no motivation to do so. And this is, my problem #1 with living in Sweden, which besides that I very much enjoy.
There is just not a culture here in Sweden to improve things which are not perceived to be broken. And we can argue if the threshold of "something is broken" is very high here. In my opinion, and I just can't shake of my German-ness, Swedes are just incredible pain-tolerant and accepting the lowest levels of service and smilingly paying absurd amounts of money for it which in turn will help zilch in improving things since there is just no motivation to do so. And this is, my problem #1 with living in Sweden, which besides that I very much enjoy.
May 7, 2020, 9:02 am
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I fell, part of it is just Swedish mentality. "it works", people get from A to B. That's fine. No need to change. All good.
There is just not a culture here in Sweden to improve things which are not perceived to be broken. And we can argue if the threshold of "something is broken" is very high here. In my opinion, and I just can't shake of my German-ness, Swedes are just incredible pain-tolerant and accepting the lowest levels of service and smilingly paying absurd amounts of money for it which in turn will help zilch in improving things since there is just no motivation to do so. And this is, my problem #1 with living in Sweden, which besides that I very much enjoy.
There is just not a culture here in Sweden to improve things which are not perceived to be broken. And we can argue if the threshold of "something is broken" is very high here. In my opinion, and I just can't shake of my German-ness, Swedes are just incredible pain-tolerant and accepting the lowest levels of service and smilingly paying absurd amounts of money for it which in turn will help zilch in improving things since there is just no motivation to do so. And this is, my problem #1 with living in Sweden, which besides that I very much enjoy.
May 7, 2020, 10:07 am
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If you look at the rendering on this page: https://www.swedavia.com/future-airp...landa-airport/
It seems another pier is coming up in the north west of the T5F pier. One more patchwork terminal/pier...
It seems another pier is coming up in the north west of the T5F pier. One more patchwork terminal/pier...
May 7, 2020, 3:50 pm
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If you look at the rendering on this page: https://www.swedavia.com/future-airp...landa-airport/
It seems another pier is coming up in the north west of the T5F pier. One more patchwork terminal/pier...
It seems another pier is coming up in the north west of the T5F pier. One more patchwork terminal/pier...
https://www.swedavia.com/future-airp...port/new-pier/
That promises for decent exercise options of getting around just within T5.
May 7, 2020, 4:18 pm
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May 8, 2020, 1:14 am
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If you look at the rendering on this page: https://www.swedavia.com/future-airp...landa-airport/
It seems another pier is coming up in the north west of the T5F pier. One more patchwork terminal/pier...
It seems another pier is coming up in the north west of the T5F pier. One more patchwork terminal/pier...
I personally believe that air traffic will collapse in the aftermath of covid-19, so I don't think that they will ever finish the G pier.
May 8, 2020, 3:17 am
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They also signed a preclearance agreement with the USA, hoping that this would attract additional transfer passengers. Under those circumstances, building a new widebody pier made a lot of sense, and transfers within T5 would become far more convenient.
I personally believe that air traffic will collapse in the aftermath of covid-19, so I don't think that they will ever finish the G pier.
I personally believe that air traffic will collapse in the aftermath of covid-19, so I don't think that they will ever finish the G pier.
Swedavia has worked for a number of years with preparations to enable the introduction of US Preclearance at Stockholm Arlanda Airport. In November 2016, Sweden and the US signed a bilateral agreement on this matter. In order to proceed with the introduction of US Preclearance at Stockholm Arlanda Airport, both legal and financial conditions are required – that is, a decision by the Swedish parliament and a sustainable financial solution for the investment in the facility and for the operation of this service.
In the past year, the financial conditions have deteriorated, which means that there is at present no sustainable financial solution that will enable the project to continue. The change in financial conditions is largely due to the introduction of a national aviation tax in Sweden, increased investment costs for the facility and a change in financial conditions for the additional security screening associated with US Preclearance. All in all, as a result of these changes, the per passenger cost for using this service will most likely be too high relative to the expected willingness to pay, so there is consequently no sustainable financial solution. Because of this, it is not possible to say at the moment when or whether US Preclearance can be introduced at Stockholm Arlanda Airport.
In the past year, the financial conditions have deteriorated, which means that there is at present no sustainable financial solution that will enable the project to continue. The change in financial conditions is largely due to the introduction of a national aviation tax in Sweden, increased investment costs for the facility and a change in financial conditions for the additional security screening associated with US Preclearance. All in all, as a result of these changes, the per passenger cost for using this service will most likely be too high relative to the expected willingness to pay, so there is consequently no sustainable financial solution. Because of this, it is not possible to say at the moment when or whether US Preclearance can be introduced at Stockholm Arlanda Airport.