First A350 for SK is now being built [merged A350 thread]
Jun 16, 2019, 2:20 pm
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Jun 16, 2019, 2:43 pm
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(cabin with is just +33 cm, so all in all less space in PE and more in C (unless the ailes gets wider or more narrow)
Jun 16, 2019, 2:45 pm
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The A350 is about 14 inches wider than the A330. Installing an extra seat means that you lose about half an inch per seat, so the seats in economy will definitely be narrower than on the A330 (although better than the 787). But the main drawback in economy is that you'll have the inflexible 3-3-3 layout instead of 2-4-2.
But in premium economy, it's worse. Premium goes from 7-abreat to 8-abreast, meaning that a whopping 25% of the seats will be middle seats instead of 14%, and the seats will be only slightly wider than the economy seats on the A330.
But in premium economy, it's worse. Premium goes from 7-abreat to 8-abreast, meaning that a whopping 25% of the seats will be middle seats instead of 14%, and the seats will be only slightly wider than the economy seats on the A330.
Jun 16, 2019, 4:05 pm
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And the alternative is?
Jun 16, 2019, 5:20 pm
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Or the missing space is taken from the aisle. In PE it's only about 4 inches they are missing, meaning 2 inches per aisle. In eco, it's only about 3 inches or 1,5 inch per aisle. Add to that, that the aisle in PE currently are wider than in eco.
Are you seriously suggesting to lose 24 seats?
And the alternative is?
Are you seriously suggesting to lose 24 seats?
And the alternative is?
Jun 16, 2019, 5:25 pm
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Japan Airlines just did their 777-200ER refurbishment with 3-4-2 in Y, so I am certain there are seat manufactorers who can make it I guess the question is more does SK want to pay for a customised solution.
Jun 16, 2019, 5:33 pm
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The 777 started off with 2-5-2 (which I preferred) but then switched to 3-3-3, which became the norm for aircraft of that size. Many other airlines are using 3-3-3 on their A350s but there is variation in PE, most 2-4-2, while LH has 2-3-2.
Jun 17, 2019, 2:06 am
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20 inch is pretty narrow. I'm pretty sure the aisles on the A330/340's are well above that, so there are room to reduce them a little.
Jun 17, 2019, 7:06 am
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I can't find an EASA guidance on its minimums, whether it accepts the CFR or not. Given that evacuation concerns become more salient as the space decreases as does boarding speed, it's not guaranteed to be a good place to mine for inches.
Jun 17, 2019, 7:31 am
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Define this certainty and provide us with a data point beyond "there's room".
I can't find an EASA guidance on its minimums, whether it accepts the CFR or not. Given that evacuation concerns become more salient as the space decreases as does boarding speed, it's not guaranteed to be a good place to mine for inches.
I can't find an EASA guidance on its minimums, whether it accepts the CFR or not. Given that evacuation concerns become more salient as the space decreases as does boarding speed, it's not guaranteed to be a good place to mine for inches.
Edit: according to seatguru,
Lufthansa has 17" seats in a 3-3-3 config in eco and 18" in a 2-3-2 config in PE.
Singapore airlines has 18" seats in a 3-3-3 config in eco and 19" in 2-4-2 config in PE.
Delta has 18" seats in a 3-3-3 config in eco and 18,5" in a 2-4-2 config in PE.
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Jun 18, 2019, 10:50 am
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With the A350 being about 14 inches wider than the A330/340's and the eco seats being 17,3 inch wide means you only need to make the aisles 3,3 inch narrower to keep the current seat width or 1.65 inch per aisle. I will be surprised if there isn't 1,65 inch available in each aisle, but time will tell.
Edit: according to seatguru,
Lufthansa has 17" seats in a 3-3-3 config in eco and 18" in a 2-3-2 config in PE.
Singapore airlines has 18" seats in a 3-3-3 config in eco and 19" in 2-4-2 config in PE.
Delta has 18" seats in a 3-3-3 config in eco and 18,5" in a 2-4-2 config in PE.
Edit: according to seatguru,
Lufthansa has 17" seats in a 3-3-3 config in eco and 18" in a 2-3-2 config in PE.
Singapore airlines has 18" seats in a 3-3-3 config in eco and 19" in 2-4-2 config in PE.
Delta has 18" seats in a 3-3-3 config in eco and 18,5" in a 2-4-2 config in PE.
Jun 19, 2019, 12:27 pm
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Copenhagen – Beijing eff 07FEB20 1 daily
Copenhagen – Chicago O’Hare eff 28JAN20 1 daily (6 weekly A350 and 1 weekly A340 from 03FEB20)
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...rvice-in-1q20/
Copenhagen – Chicago O’Hare eff 28JAN20 1 daily (6 weekly A350 and 1 weekly A340 from 03FEB20)
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...rvice-in-1q20/
Jun 20, 2019, 11:59 am
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Rumor has it that SAS will launch a new livery as part of the A350 launch. The current livery is about 21 years old. https://check-in.dk/ny-bemaling-til-...mende-a350ere/