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Old May 24, 2016, 6:21 am
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Originally Posted by FlyingMoose
Harsh and unnecessary, simply provide people the option to buy the correct ticket on the spot and it should be solved. Mistakes happen.

If they aren't carrying money on them that's another story and then they are intentionally breaking the rules. That's a whole different issue compared to someone having a wrong ticket.
Agreed... and the German railway is not known for customer friendly behavior.. I avoid them where-ever I can.

On some trains you can buy the ticket on the spot. Those are the long distance trains (e.g. ICE and IC) but you cannot on the regional trains... same as with the regional trains in Sweden. Try boarding the Öresundstrain with a wrong ticket and get caught... 1000 SEK penalty, and get off at the next station.

Originally Posted by FlyingMoose
Surprising a country like Germany allows those kind of fraudulent practices.
Yeah... and you don't even know this since they pipe it through the system in a way that it looks like all communication is just with the German Railways. This just came out recently by accident since a customer sued in court to reinstate his credit rating after he was reported to have traveled with an invalid ticket. (He did had ticket, which he could show on his smart phone as PDF but as he did not had a printer to print it on paper... it was not valid... ). He won in the end and did not had to pay the penalty and ticket again but still his credit rating with that agency is ruined since the court cannot force them to change their credit scoring mechanism and data collection. They cannot even force the scoring agencies to disclose what information they collect and how they combine it to a score. It is ridiculous...
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Old Apr 15, 2017, 4:49 am
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SAS Youth Fares [FAQ & Discussions]

Hi SAS'ers. Have been lately flying a lot with the youth fares (yes I'm lucky ) , booking leg by leg. (takes a lot of time as my dates are usually flexible and I'm flying mostly AMS to EU destination). It seems to me that SAS page allows only to search youth flights only when the origin or destination is one of the SK 3 hubs.

Does someone have the full fare rules? (VZZAPGHT for example).
Also can someone recommend an online tool where it would be easier to search the fares? Would be even better if I would be able to book them on a single ticket.

Love the fares though, super cheap (just booked ams-cph-agp 45+65€ for next week), + earning almost MR worth miles at 500minimum/100% on TK. ^

Last edited by Karl Gustav Annus; Apr 15, 2017 at 4:55 am
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Old Apr 17, 2017, 12:58 am
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Not many here have experience with the youth fare booking tool Yes, you are lucky. Enjoy it!

I doubt you can do much with the SK website. It does not offer much for the regular fares. Standard advice here is to try wideroe's website (not sure if they expose youth fare search). I dont't think that matrix.itasoftware.com allows searching by fare.
@oliver2002 should know a way to find the fare rules
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Old Apr 17, 2017, 1:28 am
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You can sign up with ExpertFlyer. Then you can check the fare rules including youth fares.
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Old Apr 17, 2017, 11:03 am
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Ah Scandinavia, where 26 year olds are children instead of adults.
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Old Apr 19, 2017, 4:44 pm
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The youth fares are amazing huh, found out about them recently and just booked my first flights (DUB-OSL-CPH-AMS, two separate tickets). I noticed this thread where someone mentions that you can book them as one ticket by calling SAS: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/sas-e...th-ticket.html. I'll try tomorrow for my flights, I can still cancel them so if they can book them on one ticket I'll do that. Also, do you know if all *G benefits apply to the youth tickets?
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Old Apr 19, 2017, 5:48 pm
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The lounge and fast track have worked as usual, nothing special with them. Also the +1 luggage SHOULD (according to online info) work, going to give it a go on friday and sunday, lets see how smooth it's going to go. (LH i.e. Usually doesn't honour the +1 in eco light)
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Old Apr 24, 2017, 9:50 am
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Thanks, sounds good. On regular Go Light tickets I was able to check 1 bag for free, so I'm assuming this to be the same for youth Go Light. On another note, I tried booking two separate tickets over the phone on one ticket, after the first agent said it was not possible I hung up and called again but the other agent also said it could not be done.
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Old Apr 25, 2017, 7:08 am
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Can confirm that I got the +1 luggage. Both ex AMS and ex CPH no questions asked.
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Old Apr 25, 2017, 11:35 am
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Originally Posted by Karl Gustav Annus
Does someone have the full fare rules? (VZZAPGHT for example).
Also can someone recommend an online tool where it would be easier to search the fares? Would be even better if I would be able to book them on a single ticket.
They are only available to Scandics.
Code:
25APR17**25APR17/SK AMSCPH/NSP;EH/TPM   393/MPM   471
LN FARE BASIS    OW   EUR  RT   B PEN  DATES/DAYS   AP MIN MAX R
01 VZZ             51       102 V NRF    -     -   +  + -   -  R
02 VZZGHT          34        68 V NRF    -     -   +  + -   -  R
03 VZZAP           26        52 V NRF    -     -   + 7+ -   -  R
04 VZZAPGHT        10        20 V NRF    -     -   + 7+ -   -  R
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**  RULES DISPLAY  **                  TAX MAY APPLY
                                       SURCHG MAY APPLY-CK RULE
25APR17**25APR17/SK AMSCPH/NSP;EH/TPM   393/MPM   471
LN FARE BASIS    OW   EUR  RT   B PEN  DATES/DAYS   AP MIN MAX R
04 VZZAPGHT        10        20 V NRF    -     -   + 7+ -   -  R
FCL: VZZAPGHT  TRF: 849 RULE: ZZGL BK:  V
PTC: YTH-YOUTH CONFIRMED    FTC: PSZ-YOUTH/STUDENT PROMOTIONAL
FARE FAMILY            : YOUTHLIGHT
FARE FAMILY DESCRIPTION: SAS YOUTH GO LIGHT
FR.FARE BY RULE
FARE BY RULE CONDITIONS APPLY
BASE FARE:  FCL: OEOLIGHT  TRF:  21 CARRIER: SK RULE: OBAG
PTC: ADT  FTC: XES

RU.RULE APPLICATION
FARE BY RULE
FOR VZZAPGHT FARES
SAS YOUTH GO LIGHT ADVANCE PURCHASE
 APPLICATION
   AREA
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     THESE FARES APPLY
     WITHIN EUROPE.
   CLASS OF SERVICE
     THESE FARES APPLY FOR ECONOMY CLASS SERVICE.
   TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION
     FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE
     ONE-WAY/ROUND-TRIP/TURNAROUND SINGLE OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS.
   FARES ONLY APPLY IF PURCHASED BEFORE DEPARTURE.
   NO BAGGAGE ALLOWANCE

AP.ADVANCE RES/TKT
FARE BY RULE
FROM/TO AREA 2 FOR VZZAPGHT TYPE FARES

  RESERVATIONS FOR ALL SECTORS ARE REQUIRED AT LEAST 7 DAYS
  BEFORE DEPARTURE.
  WAITLIST NOT PERMITTED.
  TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 1 DAY AFTER
  RESERVATIONS ARE MADE OR AT LEAST 7 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE
  WHICHEVER IS EARLIER.
         NOTE -
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          RESERVATION MUST SHOW THE DATE OF BIRTH AFTER THE
          NAME OF THE PASSENGER.
          WARNING-
          ALL RESERVATIONS MADE WITHOUT TICKET NUMBER WILL
          BE CANCELLED AUTOMATICALLY AFTER TICKETING
          DEADLINE.

FL.FLT APPLICATION
BASE FARE

  THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON
      ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
        ANY SK FLIGHT OPERATED BY SK
        ANY SK FLIGHT OPERATED BY BE
        ANY SK FLIGHT OPERATED BY DC
        ANY SK FLIGHT OPERATED BY DX
        ANY SK FLIGHT OPERATED BY JO
        ANY SK FLIGHT OPERATED BY WX
        ANY SK FLIGHT OPERATED BY YW
        ANY SK FLIGHT OPERATED BY ZN.
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CD.CHILD DISCOUNTS
FARE BY RULE

  ACCOMPANIED CHILD 2-11 - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
        TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH.
    MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN SAME COMPARTMENT
      BY ADULT 16 OR OLDER
  OR - INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT ACCOMPANIED BY A YOUTH/STUDENT
  UNDER 2- CHARGE 10 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
         MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN SAME
           COMPARTMENT BY ADULT 16 OR OLDER.
         NOTE -
          INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT MUST BE PRICED MANUALLY.
          --------------------------------------------------
  OR - INFANT WITH A SEAT ACCOMPANIED BY A YOUTH/STUDENT
         UNDER 2 - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
         MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN SAME
           COMPARTMENT BY ADULT 16 OR OLDER.
         NOTE -
          NOT VALID FOR UNACCOMPANIED MINORS.
          --------------------------------------------------
                                                  PAGE  4/12

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SO.STOPOVERS
FARE BY RULE
  NO STOPOVERS PERMITTED

TF.TRANSFERS/RTGS
BASE FARE

  UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT
    FARE BREAK AND EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED ON
     THE FARE COMPONENT.

EL.ELIGIBILITY
FARE BY RULE

  VALID FOR YOUTH CONFIRMED 0-25 WITH ID.
         NOTE -
          THE DATE OF BIRTH OF THE PASSENGER MUST BE
          INCLUDED AFTER THE PASSENGER NAME IN THE NAME BOX
          -------------------------------------
          PROOF OF AGE MUST BE PRESENTED AT TIME OF
                                                  PAGE  5/12

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          TICKETING AND AT GATE.
          -------------------------------------------------
          YOUTH UNDER 12 YEARS OF AGE MUST TRAVEL WITH
          ADULT 16 YEARS OR OLDER.
          -------------------------------------------------
          NOT VALID FOR UNACCOMPANIED MINORS.

AC.ACCOMPANY TVL
FARE BY RULE

         NOTE -
          IF YOUTH CONFIRMED UNDER 12 WITH ID - MUST BE
          ACCOMPANIED ON ALL SECTORS IN SAME COMPARTMENT BY
          AN ADULT 16 YEARS OR OLDER.

TE.TKT ENDORSEMENT
FARE BY RULE

  THE ORIGINAL AND THE REISSUED TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED -
  VLD FOR YTH 0-25 WITH ID - AND - NON REF - IN THE
  ENDORSEMENT BOX.
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PE.PENALTIES
FARE BY RULE

  CANCELLATIONS

    ANY TIME
      TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE.
         NOTE -
          REFUND OF OTHER UNUSED TAXES/FEES/CHARGES
          PERMITTED.
          -----------------------------------------------
          FOR NON REFUNDABLE TICKETS YQ/YR DOMESTIC/
          INTERNATIONAL FEES WILL NOT BE REFUNDED.

  CHANGES

    ANY TIME
      PER TICKET CHARGE EUR 45.00 FOR REISSUE.
         NOTE -
          INFANTS FREE OF CHARGE.
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          --------------------------------------------------
          ORIGIN/DESTINATION OF FARE COMPONENT MAY NOT BE
          CHANGED.
          --------------------------------------------------
          REBOOKING CHARGE EUR 45 PER TRANSACTION.
          -------------------------------------------------
          IN CASE OF CHANGE TO HIGHER SK YOUTH GO LIGHT FARE
          CHARGE EUR 45 PER TRANSACTION AND CHARGE
          DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FARE PAID AND HIGHER SK YOUTH
          GO LIGHT FARE.
          -------------------------------------------------
          FOR AUTOMATIC REISSUE PENALTY FEE MUST BE
          COLLECTED ON AN EMD.
          FOR MANUAL REISSUE ON AN EMD OR AS DU TAX.
          PENALTY FEE MUST REMAIN NON REFUNDABLE.
          -------------------------------------------------
          REBOOKING/REISSUE/PAYMENT MUST BE MADE IN ONE
          TRANSACTION NOT LATER
          THAN 1 HOUR BEFORE DEPARTURE OF EITHER THE FLIGHT
          BEING CHANGED OR THE NEW FLIGHT WHICHEVER IS
          EARLIER.
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CO.COMBINABILITY
FARE BY RULE
   DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/CIRCLE TRIPS NOT PERMITTED.
   END-ON-END NOT PERMITTED. SIDE TRIPS NOT PERMITTED
   APPLICABLE ADD-ON CONSTRUCTION IS ADDRESSED IN
   MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS - CATEGORY 23.
  OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS
    FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
    -TO FORM SINGLE OPEN JAWS AT THE POINT OF DESTINATION.
     MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/LESS THAN
     MILEAGE OF THE LONGEST FLOWN FARE COMPONENT.
    -TO FORM ROUND TRIPS
   PROVIDED -
     COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY YOUTH/STUDENT/YOUTH-TYPE
     FARES FOR CARRIER SK IN ANY RULE AND TARIFF.

VC.VOLUNTARY CHANGES
FARE BY RULE

  IN THE EVENT OF CHANGES TO TICKETED FLIGHTS
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   BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY - APPLIES WITHIN TKT VALIDITY
    CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN BY
    THOSE OF SK  INTERNATIONAL FARES
     CHARGE EUR 45.00 OR HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE
     COMPONENTS - DISCOUNTS APPLY - NO FEE FOR INFANTS W/O
     SEAT AND
      REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
       PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
       1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FLIGHT COUPON/FARE BREAKS
       2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST
       BE DOMESTIC
       3. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
       4. SK  FARE TYPE PSZ IS USED
       5. PUBLIC FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED FARE IS IN
       PUBLIC TARIFF. PRIVATE FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED
       FARE IS IN PRIVATE TARIFF
       6. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
       7. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
       DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
      OR -
      REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY
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       PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
       1. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS
       2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST
       BE DOMESTIC
       3. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
       4. SK  FARE TYPE PSZ IS USED
       5. PUBLIC FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED FARE IS IN
       PUBLIC TARIFF. PRIVATE FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED
       FARE IS IN PRIVATE TARIFF
       6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO DEPARTURE
       OF PRICING UNIT
   WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE IGNORE RESIDUAL THEN
   ADD-COLLECT
   ENDORSEMENT BOX- HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW ENDORSEMENTS.
  OR -
   AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY - APPLIES WITHIN TKT VALIDITY
    CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN BY
    THOSE OF SK  INTERNATIONAL FARES
     CHARGE EUR 45.00 OR HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE
     COMPONENTS - DISCOUNTS APPLY - NO FEE FOR INFANTS W/O
     SEAT AND
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      REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
       PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
       1. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS
       2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST
       BE DOMESTIC
       3. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT
       4. SK  FARE TYPE PSZ IS USED
       5. PUBLIC FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED FARE IS IN
       PUBLIC TARIFF. PRIVATE FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED
       FARE IS IN PRIVATE TARIFF
       6. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
       7. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
       DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
   WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE IGNORE RESIDUAL THEN
   ADD-COLLECT
   ENDORSEMENT BOX- HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW ENDORSEMENTS.

VR.VOLUNTARY REFUNDS
FARE BY RULE

  REFER TO PENALTIES CATEGORY 16
                                                  PAGE 12/12

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      REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
       PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
       1. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS
       2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST
       BE DOMESTIC
       3. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT
       4. SK  FARE TYPE PSZ IS USED
       5. PUBLIC FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED FARE IS IN
       PUBLIC TARIFF. PRIVATE FARES ARE USED IF TICKETED
       FARE IS IN PRIVATE TARIFF
       6. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
       7. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
       DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
   WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE IGNORE RESIDUAL THEN
   ADD-COLLECT
   ENDORSEMENT BOX- HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW ENDORSEMENTS.

VR.VOLUNTARY REFUNDS
FARE BY RULE

  REFER TO PENALTIES CATEGORY 16
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Old Apr 26, 2017, 7:42 am
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Originally Posted by Karl Gustav Annus
Can confirm that I got the +1 luggage. Both ex AMS and ex CPH no questions asked.
Great, did you try to check them through all the way to AGP?
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Old Apr 26, 2017, 1:23 pm
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Originally Posted by KL714
Great, did you try to check them through all the way to AGP?
I had 36h in CPH, so I didn't give it a try.
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Old Oct 23, 2017, 6:55 am
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I'm having a bit of a hard time understanding if these fare rules can booked with connecting youth fares. ex. TLL-ARN-HKG-ARN-TLL which can be booked separately. I know how to book these in Amadeus on one ticket, but not sure about the rules. This can't be done in the web, but maybe a call to them could sort it out.
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Old Oct 23, 2017, 1:04 pm
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Originally Posted by vanaema78
I'm having a bit of a hard time understanding if these fare rules can booked with connecting youth fares. ex. TLL-ARN-HKG-ARN-TLL which can be booked separately. I know how to book these in Amadeus on one ticket, but not sure about the rules. This can't be done in the web, but maybe a call to them could sort it out.
Booking youth tickets via the website only works for masochists...and I only say this as we are trying to do the same. We have tried my computers, 2 tablets and an iPhone...and now are having some success with computer #2 . I will hand it to SAS IT that they find new glitches and bugs that appear on each device selectively, so you never know when you will fail.

We have been tracking award tickets to ORD for a few months...only to see July and the first half of Aug blacked out in all classes. We started tracking youth tickets this week and suddenly two seats showed up, so we opened a bottle of wine to celebrate banishing the kids for 4 weeks to my parents. Due to SAS's crappy website, we needed to open up another bottle before we could finally book the tickets. Despite the pain, we are quite happy now but SAS really tries hard to not sell tickets.

I would recommend to call and save the effort.
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Haha, I feel your pain.
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