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Old Feb 15, 2016 | 10:45 pm
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Originally Posted by Zorak
They do, but only after 9pm weekdays or on weekends on the Pittsburg/Bay Point line (yellow). The Richmond/Daly City (red) line doesn't, ever. Why, I don't know, but I'm willing to bet someone here does...
I think it's because SFO is out of the way, and they don't want to slow down the journey for people going from Millbrae to downtown SF. Nights and weekends there are less commuters and more airport traffic, so it may make more sense.

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[*]Milbrae is a future high speed rail station on the CA high speed rail project. It would be inconceivable that the shiny new $68 billion train will drop you off at Millbrae and then require two BART segments to get to SFO, so hopefully this will be fixed soon, especially with the strong possibility that CAHSRA will build the SF-Bakersfield segment first now.[/LIST]
I don't think HSR is really designed for airport traffic. I think it's intended to avoid the need for intrastate flights, not to help people get to the airport. However, it may help people avoid short flights, for example someone in the Central Valley could take the train to SFO instead of flying FAT-SFO.
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Old Feb 16, 2016 | 12:27 am
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Originally Posted by Zorak
Broadly speaking, sure, but even considering only northbound trains there are 3-4 arrivals per hour at Millbrae during commute hours.

Of course I am viewing this selfishly because I live on the peninsula but it'd be nice if the connection were less awkward.

Anyway given all the parameters it seems like a dedicated shuttle or spur line would make more sense.
I'm on the peninsula too and would love to see a dedicated shuttle but I'm not so sure the ridership pencils out. Based on admittedly anecdotal information, not a lot of people get off the train in San Bruno to make the connection to SFO. This may be a chicken and egg thing with the awkward connection but taking Caltrain to SFO or back just doesn't cross most people's mind when they're making their way up to SFO.

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I don't think HSR is really designed for airport traffic. I think it's intended to avoid the need for intrastate flights, not to help people get to the airport. However, it may help people avoid short flights, for example someone in the Central Valley could take the train to SFO instead of flying FAT-SFO.
I agree with you on this one but my argument is that because there will be a significant amount of money spent in Millbrae, it seems like an extra BART train set, especially a short one running a shuttle service between SFO and Millbrae, would be up for reconsideration. At least . . . one can hope
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Old Feb 16, 2016 | 1:20 am
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I thought the short service that used to run just between Millbrae and SFO was terminated because union work rules just made it too inefficient to operate. I did some searching around and came across these comments from a 2011 blog:

Another work rule that is likely common (I know it is for all Bay Area systems), is the rule for a break at the end of each transit "run" rather than based on an amount of time. This creates an incentive for transit agencies to schedule ridiculously long routes more likely to suffer from bunching and delays, and also makes it much more expensive to utilize short runs along busy corridors during rush hours. This is largely the reason that there isn't service from Millbrae directly to SFO airport any longer on BART (it's two terminal stations, so for every seven minute run you'd have a fifteen minute required break), and part of the reason that SF Muni doesn't run as many peak hour short lines as it once did - during the short period when you absolutely want as many buses and trains running as possible, any short run equals more time that the buses are chilling while a driver is on a break, even a shorter run would be more efficient otherwise.
http://marketurbanism.com/2011/05/15...-productivity/
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Old Feb 16, 2016 | 3:30 am
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Originally Posted by tom911
I thought the short service that used to run just between Millbrae and SFO was terminated because union work rules just made it too inefficient to operate. I did some searching around and came across these comments from a 2011 blog:


http://marketurbanism.com/2011/05/15...-productivity/
From a reply to that comment (source we're citing is obviously the bastion of veracity):

BART did run a shuttle from SFO to Millbrae and found that only 150 people a day rode it. That's why it was killed. However, there are a few runs at off-peak times that use the train from Pittsburg to SFO as a shuttle. When the shuttle ran, union rules based on yard shifts were used. So, those operators didn't get a "bonus".
What I don't quite follow is why the Millbrae—SFO shuttle had to be a shuttle. Why couldn't they tack it onto the Pittsburg/BP—SFO line? The Richmond—Millbrae line can still skip SFO so Millbrae commuters wouldn't be affected. Is it lack of trains?
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Old Feb 16, 2016 | 9:51 am
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Originally Posted by Javelin
What I don't quite follow is why the MillbraeSFO shuttle had to be a shuttle. Why couldn't they tack it onto the Pittsburg/BPSFO line? The RichmondMillbrae line can still skip SFO so Millbrae commuters wouldn't be affected. Is it lack of trains?
BART has not only a lack of trains but an antiquated switching system.
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