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I fly Ryanair about 10 flights a year, a few rules - 1. pay by electron. 2. online check in only. 3. carry on luggage only. 4. prepare for delays - bring extra money for beer. (The 8 hour delay at Bremen airport enabled some great sampling of local beer!) Delays happen, not the end of the world.
Toby Huggan, Birmingham, UK
I have travelled with Ryanair ~50 times and never had any major problems. I have no doubt that If I am delayed I will get nothing - but as long as you go in with your eyes open then its a case of getting what you pay for. They have been so succesful that most people must feel the same way I do.
Fergus, Dublin, Ireland
If you're going to travel with Ryanair, organise independent travel insurance. It's far cheaper than the cost incurred by cancelled flights. Also, know your EU guranteed consumer rights. Ryanair staff are legally obliged to hand out details at the boarding gate of delayed flights. Ask them!
Mark, Barcelona,
in reply to Beavis - I travelled with about 1 months notice in August from a saturday to saturday. ruinair were 300 return, aer lingus were 350 and cityjet were 400. not sure about the 4th option. i took the 'lowest fares option' . glad i did in hindight , otherwise no book! - from the author.
Paul, Dublin, Ireland
last week a ryanair fligh from malta to the uk was delayed not for ten but for thirty-seven hours, same lack of information, refunds, and all the rest. These guys are chamions for making you believe you're paying next to nothing while in fact you pay a small fortune. They don't deserve to be around
tony marsh, paris, france
Much as I agree with a lot of what the author says:
"If I had paid 10 for this return flight, I wouldnt bother with this letter, but I paid a whopping 300" Why would anyone intelligent fly for this price when there are 4 other carriers flying this route?!
Beavis, Malaga, Spain
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Paul Kilduff
The first sign of terminal trouble is the subtle inactivity at the Malaga departure gate.
Our scheduled boarding time passes quite uneventfully. Growing mumblings of discontent and half-truths circulate like gossip. There is an aircraft outside so theres hope, but it has technical problems. The screens show Retrasado. This is Spanish for Your aircraft is broken. We wait in a void of customer service.
One brave passenger walks up to the desk and comes back holding up 10 fingers. We will board in 10 minutes? He announces: Delayed until 10 oclock tonight. Eight hours late. An engineer is flying out.
I recall the head of the airline, Mick, saying: If a plane is cancelled, will we put you up in a hotel? Absolutely not. If a plane is delayed, will we give you a voucher for a restaurant? Absolutely not. I paid €300 plus taxes for this trip.
There is utter incredulity from four Americans who have lost all faith in European air travel. Airline credibility is like virginity. You can only lose it once. There are two Spaniards who can go home, eat, sleep, shop, clean, procreate and still return in time to depart.
We sit near the departure screens. In the past I have looked at these screens and gained much amusement from various charter airlines delays of not hours, but days or weeks. Our flight is top of the list with a now nine-hour delay. Others pass by and smile over at us. Today the joke is on us.
Somehow I survive nine hours in the terminal. You can only read the small print on the reverse side of your boarding card so many times. I visit every shop 10 times, doze, read all known English-language newspapers, down fries and Cokes, but still there are aeons to kill until departure.
At a time like this I harp back to Mick and his wise words: An aeroplane is nothing more than a bus with wings on. Are we trying to blow up the notion that flying is some kind of orgasmic experience rather than a glorified bus service? Yes, we are. Success.
We are drawn to the gate like moths to a flame as midnight approaches. A few Irish guys are drunk and enter the Ladies by mistake. Inside, naked sunburnt babies are bathed in the hand basins by irate mothers. Passengers lie on the floor, their energy levels as depleted as their mobile telephone batteries.
We prepare to board but there is mass confusion. Some of us have yellow fluorescent pen Ps handwritten on our boarding cards. We think it means Priority. Others behind in the scrum ask if anyone has a yellow pen they can use.
On board its clear some passengers are well and truly hammered, having spent nine hours in the airport bar knocking back rounds of San Miguel. Same again. A guy sitting in the emergency-exit aisle is swapped by Gavin the cabin supervisor with another passenger, because hes too drunk to do anything in the event of an emergency, save a burp and stagger. He carries a plastic beaker of beer with him as he rises to move seats.
The crew say nothing. He takes the proffered seat and asks Gavin for a Heineken. Gavin tells him to wait until we are airborne.
We get a vague explanation from the pilot. Its something to do with the data management system. So thats okay. Its not like its important or anything, like a wheel, an engine or a wing.
The in-flight service is uneventful save for the resentment of the Americans. When it is announced there are drinks and snacks available for purchase, they exclaim to Gavin, Youre kidding. Ten hours on the ground and you dont even give us a goddamn cup of water?
They have not heard Micks proclamation: No, we shouldnt give you a bloody cup of coffee. We only charge €19 for the ticket. One of the Americans is creative and asks the crew, Do you have ice cubes? Can you give me a cup of ice? You dont charge for ice? They deny his request. As Mick says about this unique low-fares travel experience: You want luxury? Go somewhere else.
Flights that depart late often arrive on time because airlines brazenly lie about journey times. Not this time.
We land in Dublin at 1am local time on the next day. We had religious education classes at school where a Holy Ghost priest educated us on the concept of eternity. He told us to think of time as a grain of sand and then add all the grains in the world together to gain a concept of eternity. Now I know I need additionally to include the delay on this flight to fully comprehend eternity.
I crave a feeble revenge of sorts. I dont hold out much hope, but I craft a stroppy letter.
Customer Service
Ruinair Ltd
Dublin Airport
Dear Sirs,
I had the great misfortune to travel on FR7043 from Malaga to Dublin where our departure time was delayed by 10 hours. Can you advise me of the exact reason for this delay since all we got was the usual vague explanation?
Can you explain why no information was given to us at any time by any of your staff and why do you have zero staff located at Malaga airport? Why was it necessary to fly an engineer all the way out from Dublin when surely you could use local contractors?
Can you explain the utterly chaotic boarding process? Can you advise why inebriated passengers were allowed to board the flight; and do you now allow passengers to bring their own drinks on board direct from the terminal bar?
Lastly, please confirm you will reimburse me for my meal in the airport and the extra days car parking. If I had paid 10 for this return flight, I wouldnt bother with this letter, but I paid a whopping 300, which isnt so wonderfully low-fares after all.
Yours etc,
Disgusted of Dublin
I am amazed to receive a reply the very next day by e-mail. It must be all the practice they get.
Dear Mr Kilduff,
Thank you for your letter. We regret any inconvenience caused. Regrettably, on the day in question, your flight developed a technical fault on arrival at Malaga. Unfortunately, the local engineer advised that a part was required for the aircraft and it was necessary to transport the part from our service centre in Dublin. Despite our rigorous maintenance standards, technical problems occasionally arise and may cause delays.
I do sincerely regret that our sequential boarding policy was not adhered to by the agents at Malaga . . . This lapse in policy will be taken up with our agents at Malaga.
We have strict guidelines for the carriage of passengers who are under the influence of alcohol. Our in-flight personnel are particularly vigilant and tactful in relation to passengers who, although creating no disturbance, may have been drinking prior to departure and such passengers are monitored throughout the flight.
I do assure you, had it been visible to the crew that passengers were consuming their own alcohol, it would have been confiscated.
As you may appreciate, we are a very efficient low-fare airline and whilst we pride ourselves upon not charging extortionate fares that many of our competitors do, our low fares do not permit us to meet consequential expenses of passengers who may on rare occasions be inconvenienced. In this regard, I regret that we are not in a position to accede to your request for reimbursement.
I do hope that despite your dissatisfaction etc, etc, blah, blah . . .
Yours sincerely,
For and on Behalf of Ruinair Limited
Mick knows how best to describe this carefully worded, cut and pasted, utterly useless reply since he has coined a choice expletive to be used by his airline in one-to-one print media interviews to describe any simple procedure which other airlines claim to be complex. Micks word is Bolloxology.
Extracted from Ruinair by Paul Kilduff (Collins 7.99). To buy the book for the reduced price of 7.59, with free p&p in the UK, call The Sunday Times BooksFirst on 0845 271 2135
The first sign of terminal trouble is the subtle inactivity at the Malaga departure gate.
Our scheduled boarding time passes quite uneventfully. Growing mumblings of discontent and half-truths circulate like gossip. There is an aircraft outside so theres hope, but it has technical problems. The screens show Retrasado. This is Spanish for Your aircraft is broken. We wait in a void of customer service.
One brave passenger walks up to the desk and comes back holding up 10 fingers. We will board in 10 minutes? He announces: Delayed until 10 oclock tonight. Eight hours late. An engineer is flying out.
I recall the head of the airline, Mick, saying: If a plane is cancelled, will we put you up in a hotel? Absolutely not. If a plane is delayed, will we give you a voucher for a restaurant? Absolutely not. I paid €300 plus taxes for this trip.
There is utter incredulity from four Americans who have lost all faith in European air travel. Airline credibility is like virginity. You can only lose it once. There are two Spaniards who can go home, eat, sleep, shop, clean, procreate and still return in time to depart.
We sit near the departure screens. In the past I have looked at these screens and gained much amusement from various charter airlines delays of not hours, but days or weeks. Our flight is top of the list with a now nine-hour delay. Others pass by and smile over at us. Today the joke is on us.
Somehow I survive nine hours in the terminal. You can only read the small print on the reverse side of your boarding card so many times. I visit every shop 10 times, doze, read all known English-language newspapers, down fries and Cokes, but still there are aeons to kill until departure.
At a time like this I harp back to Mick and his wise words: An aeroplane is nothing more than a bus with wings on. Are we trying to blow up the notion that flying is some kind of orgasmic experience rather than a glorified bus service? Yes, we are. Success.
We are drawn to the gate like moths to a flame as midnight approaches. A few Irish guys are drunk and enter the Ladies by mistake. Inside, naked sunburnt babies are bathed in the hand basins by irate mothers. Passengers lie on the floor, their energy levels as depleted as their mobile telephone batteries.
We prepare to board but there is mass confusion. Some of us have yellow fluorescent pen Ps handwritten on our boarding cards. We think it means Priority. Others behind in the scrum ask if anyone has a yellow pen they can use.
On board its clear some passengers are well and truly hammered, having spent nine hours in the airport bar knocking back rounds of San Miguel. Same again. A guy sitting in the emergency-exit aisle is swapped by Gavin the cabin supervisor with another passenger, because hes too drunk to do anything in the event of an emergency, save a burp and stagger. He carries a plastic beaker of beer with him as he rises to move seats.
The crew say nothing. He takes the proffered seat and asks Gavin for a Heineken. Gavin tells him to wait until we are airborne.
We get a vague explanation from the pilot. Its something to do with the data management system. So thats okay. Its not like its important or anything, like a wheel, an engine or a wing.
The in-flight service is uneventful save for the resentment of the Americans. When it is announced there are drinks and snacks available for purchase, they exclaim to Gavin, Youre kidding. Ten hours on the ground and you dont even give us a goddamn cup of water?
They have not heard Micks proclamation: No, we shouldnt give you a bloody cup of coffee. We only charge €19 for the ticket. One of the Americans is creative and asks the crew, Do you have ice cubes? Can you give me a cup of ice? You dont charge for ice? They deny his request. As Mick says about this unique low-fares travel experience: You want luxury? Go somewhere else.
Flights that depart late often arrive on time because airlines brazenly lie about journey times. Not this time.
We land in Dublin at 1am local time on the next day. We had religious education classes at school where a Holy Ghost priest educated us on the concept of eternity. He told us to think of time as a grain of sand and then add all the grains in the world together to gain a concept of eternity. Now I know I need additionally to include the delay on this flight to fully comprehend eternity.
I crave a feeble revenge of sorts. I dont hold out much hope, but I craft a stroppy letter.
Customer Service
Ruinair Ltd
Dublin Airport
Dear Sirs,
I had the great misfortune to travel on FR7043 from Malaga to Dublin where our departure time was delayed by 10 hours. Can you advise me of the exact reason for this delay since all we got was the usual vague explanation?
Can you explain why no information was given to us at any time by any of your staff and why do you have zero staff located at Malaga airport? Why was it necessary to fly an engineer all the way out from Dublin when surely you could use local contractors?
Can you explain the utterly chaotic boarding process? Can you advise why inebriated passengers were allowed to board the flight; and do you now allow passengers to bring their own drinks on board direct from the terminal bar?
Lastly, please confirm you will reimburse me for my meal in the airport and the extra days car parking. If I had paid 10 for this return flight, I wouldnt bother with this letter, but I paid a whopping 300, which isnt so wonderfully low-fares after all.
Yours etc,
Disgusted of Dublin
I am amazed to receive a reply the very next day by e-mail. It must be all the practice they get.
Dear Mr Kilduff,
Thank you for your letter. We regret any inconvenience caused. Regrettably, on the day in question, your flight developed a technical fault on arrival at Malaga. Unfortunately, the local engineer advised that a part was required for the aircraft and it was necessary to transport the part from our service centre in Dublin. Despite our rigorous maintenance standards, technical problems occasionally arise and may cause delays.
I do sincerely regret that our sequential boarding policy was not adhered to by the agents at Malaga . . . This lapse in policy will be taken up with our agents at Malaga.
We have strict guidelines for the carriage of passengers who are under the influence of alcohol. Our in-flight personnel are particularly vigilant and tactful in relation to passengers who, although creating no disturbance, may have been drinking prior to departure and such passengers are monitored throughout the flight.
I do assure you, had it been visible to the crew that passengers were consuming their own alcohol, it would have been confiscated.
As you may appreciate, we are a very efficient low-fare airline and whilst we pride ourselves upon not charging extortionate fares that many of our competitors do, our low fares do not permit us to meet consequential expenses of passengers who may on rare occasions be inconvenienced. In this regard, I regret that we are not in a position to accede to your request for reimbursement.
I do hope that despite your dissatisfaction etc, etc, blah, blah . . .
Yours sincerely,
For and on Behalf of Ruinair Limited
Mick knows how best to describe this carefully worded, cut and pasted, utterly useless reply since he has coined a choice expletive to be used by his airline in one-to-one print media interviews to describe any simple procedure which other airlines claim to be complex. Micks word is Bolloxology.
Extracted from Ruinair by Paul Kilduff (Collins 7.99). To buy the book for the reduced price of 7.59, with free p&p in the UK, call The Sunday Times BooksFirst on 0845 271 2135
Originally Posted by Have your say
I fly Ryanair about 10 flights a year, a few rules - 1. pay by electron. 2. online check in only. 3. carry on luggage only. 4. prepare for delays - bring extra money for beer. (The 8 hour delay at Bremen airport enabled some great sampling of local beer!) Delays happen, not the end of the world.
Toby Huggan, Birmingham, UK
I have travelled with Ryanair ~50 times and never had any major problems. I have no doubt that If I am delayed I will get nothing - but as long as you go in with your eyes open then its a case of getting what you pay for. They have been so succesful that most people must feel the same way I do.
Fergus, Dublin, Ireland
If you're going to travel with Ryanair, organise independent travel insurance. It's far cheaper than the cost incurred by cancelled flights. Also, know your EU guranteed consumer rights. Ryanair staff are legally obliged to hand out details at the boarding gate of delayed flights. Ask them!
Mark, Barcelona,
in reply to Beavis - I travelled with about 1 months notice in August from a saturday to saturday. ruinair were 300 return, aer lingus were 350 and cityjet were 400. not sure about the 4th option. i took the 'lowest fares option' . glad i did in hindight , otherwise no book! - from the author.
Paul, Dublin, Ireland
last week a ryanair fligh from malta to the uk was delayed not for ten but for thirty-seven hours, same lack of information, refunds, and all the rest. These guys are chamions for making you believe you're paying next to nothing while in fact you pay a small fortune. They don't deserve to be around
tony marsh, paris, france
Much as I agree with a lot of what the author says:
"If I had paid 10 for this return flight, I wouldnt bother with this letter, but I paid a whopping 300" Why would anyone intelligent fly for this price when there are 4 other carriers flying this route?!
Beavis, Malaga, Spain
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I really don't like Ryanair as a company, as they seem to be completely personality led, but I'm not going to let that stop me from booking their low fares. I have flown with them 10 times in the last year on their amazingly low fares, highest I've paid, including taxes is 5.
One flight was delayed by two hours. And that was it.
They are cheap and cheerless, get you from A to B with no frills, which is just as O'Leary wants it.
However, I would never ever pay EUR300.00, like the Times correspondant did. I find it amazing that he couldn't have found another airline for that money, but of course it could have been that Ryanair were cheapest and I think that's when people expect more.
One flight was delayed by two hours. And that was it.
They are cheap and cheerless, get you from A to B with no frills, which is just as O'Leary wants it.
However, I would never ever pay EUR300.00, like the Times correspondant did. I find it amazing that he couldn't have found another airline for that money, but of course it could have been that Ryanair were cheapest and I think that's when people expect more.
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While I agree that it sucks to be stuck at the airport for 10 hours, and that the Ryanair crew could have done a little more to imform passengers about the delay and offer an official appology, I do not see how this is different from the US airlines. I mean, almost 50% flights in the North East cooridor that I take are delayed, and sure often times they give us bottled water and peanuts. But this happens in the US all the time. Or they are overbooked. Or we cannot get out.
The fact that they charge for everything is policy of Ryanair, and they do not break the rules. The fact of the matter is there is enough of a demand that they do not need to provide good service. You may not return for the next flight with them, but others will.
The fact that flight to Spain was full of drunken British and Irish is standard operating procedure for all Spanish bound charter, scheduled, and LCC flights.
Also, I would never pay 300 euros for a Ryanair flight. How much was the nearest competitor? 400e? Or is Ryanair the sole airline that flies to this destination. Either way, I may 50 pound return and for what I pay is what I get. If the times get real rough, there is EU Passenger Bill of Rights that can be used to get Ryanair to compensate you for a hotel.
But delays, technical problems, etc are standard operating procedure of any airline. I've flow Ryanair about a dozen times since 2001 and never had a delay more than 1 hour. Sure, boarding was chaotic and people were drunk, but that did not matter to me as I was paying 50 quid.
If time was of essence, I would fly with Lufthansa or a reputable carrier.
The fact that they charge for everything is policy of Ryanair, and they do not break the rules. The fact of the matter is there is enough of a demand that they do not need to provide good service. You may not return for the next flight with them, but others will.
The fact that flight to Spain was full of drunken British and Irish is standard operating procedure for all Spanish bound charter, scheduled, and LCC flights.
Also, I would never pay 300 euros for a Ryanair flight. How much was the nearest competitor? 400e? Or is Ryanair the sole airline that flies to this destination. Either way, I may 50 pound return and for what I pay is what I get. If the times get real rough, there is EU Passenger Bill of Rights that can be used to get Ryanair to compensate you for a hotel.
But delays, technical problems, etc are standard operating procedure of any airline. I've flow Ryanair about a dozen times since 2001 and never had a delay more than 1 hour. Sure, boarding was chaotic and people were drunk, but that did not matter to me as I was paying 50 quid.
If time was of essence, I would fly with Lufthansa or a reputable carrier.
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I bought this book, but can't say I'm overly impressed so far.
It seems to be mainly the author being really pleased with himself at the puns he has thought up (Ruinair, EZjet, L'eau cost airlines etc. etc.) and also some strange comments.
For example: "Stansted Airport is connexted to Liverpool Street Station". What does this mean? Connex never had the rail franchise for this route, but had a bad reputation and lost the franchises they did have. Does he mean that the service is as bad as Connex, and if so, why not name and shame the operator? Or is it just bad research, or a good play on words?
The book is full of this and it makes for a jarring read. Much better is the more matter of fact book "Ryanair: How a Small Irish Airline Conquered Europe" which actually has more horror stories but also more achievements.
It seems to be mainly the author being really pleased with himself at the puns he has thought up (Ruinair, EZjet, L'eau cost airlines etc. etc.) and also some strange comments.
For example: "Stansted Airport is connexted to Liverpool Street Station". What does this mean? Connex never had the rail franchise for this route, but had a bad reputation and lost the franchises they did have. Does he mean that the service is as bad as Connex, and if so, why not name and shame the operator? Or is it just bad research, or a good play on words?
The book is full of this and it makes for a jarring read. Much better is the more matter of fact book "Ryanair: How a Small Irish Airline Conquered Europe" which actually has more horror stories but also more achievements.

