QR Airspace
#106
Join Date: May 2010
Location: AVP & PEK
Programs: UA 1K 1.9MM
Posts: 6,355
Were I booking my current trip would definitely go the 'long' way round the world to South Africa - unfortunately am in the middle of a trip and pretty well committed to my flight over Iraq and Iran to New York. At least we now know what happened and can only hope that the risk of a repeat is now minimal. Can't say I feel comfortable though.
Small difference maybe though.
They're the cheapest J option currently....I wonder why:
"Fly Qatar: we fly over Iran with only a small probability of getting shot down!"
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#107
Moderator: Qatar Airways
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: LHR/NCE/MIA
Programs: BAEC GfL & GGL, SQ Gold, Amex Centurion, Mucci des Chevaliers des Bons Mots et Qui Savent Moucher
Posts: 8,949
To be honest, I am only going to book my trip to JNB from PEK with QR, because I believe shooting down a plane at 30000 feet is more "difficult" and "unlikely" for the Iranians than at 8000 feet.
Small difference maybe though.
They're the cheapest J option currently....I wonder why:
"Fly Qatar: we fly over Iran with only a small probability of getting shot down!"
🤔
Small difference maybe though.
They're the cheapest J option currently....I wonder why:
"Fly Qatar: we fly over Iran with only a small probability of getting shot down!"
🤔
As has been stated, EK (amongst others) are also still flying over Iran.
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#108
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 409
May I ask what dates were you using to find $2200 cx jfk-kul fares? I’m doing the same routing as your original (jfk-doh-kul and paid the same via Amex iap) and leaving in a few days and while I did find some jfk-kul fares on AA for $2200, they were on JL and involved a 19hr layover in Tokyo. I don’t think I’m gonna switch flights, but regardless, 2.2k is a steal for that route on CX metal.
#109
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 409
Thank you so much for sharing this. I had the same exact itinerary actually...checked Amex Travel and sure enough...$2200 a ticket. Couldn't believe it. Booked it, called and reserved my seats already.
Waiting another week or so to see if any political events cause QR to have to cancel flights...which would save me $2200 in cancellation fees. Otherwise I'll just cancel prior to 24 hours out.
Waiting another week or so to see if any political events cause QR to have to cancel flights...which would save me $2200 in cancellation fees. Otherwise I'll just cancel prior to 24 hours out.
Last edited by suziemay; Jan 11, 2020 at 6:53 am
#110
Moderator: American AAdvantage, Travel Safety/Security & Texas, FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: AUS / GRK
Programs: AA, HHonors, Hertz
Posts: 13,486
I was up early today, so was watching what I'll be flying on Tuesday, land today rather successfully at DOH:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...340Z/KDFW/OTHH
It was a little late leaving DFW; I suspect due to some weather at DFW (I live near Austin and we had it down here too).
For those who say they shouldn't fly over Iran/Iraq...what other options are there? They can't fly over Saudi Arabia, and I believe Egypt.
Years ago, I talked to someone who flew to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The US military flights couldn't fly over Cuban airspace, which meant it was a rather long way around. I couldn't imagine the extra time it would take to go around so many of the countries on the way to Qatar. Would pretty much limit the only way in/out of DOH to the Persian Gulf-->Indian Ocean.
I guess everyone has to do what they feel comfortable with. When I booked my trip back in August, I had considered Cathay...but the protests in Hong Kong were disrupting things at HKG. You really have to pick/choose, sometimes taking the least-worst option.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...340Z/KDFW/OTHH
It was a little late leaving DFW; I suspect due to some weather at DFW (I live near Austin and we had it down here too).
For those who say they shouldn't fly over Iran/Iraq...what other options are there? They can't fly over Saudi Arabia, and I believe Egypt.
Years ago, I talked to someone who flew to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The US military flights couldn't fly over Cuban airspace, which meant it was a rather long way around. I couldn't imagine the extra time it would take to go around so many of the countries on the way to Qatar. Would pretty much limit the only way in/out of DOH to the Persian Gulf-->Indian Ocean.
I guess everyone has to do what they feel comfortable with. When I booked my trip back in August, I had considered Cathay...but the protests in Hong Kong were disrupting things at HKG. You really have to pick/choose, sometimes taking the least-worst option.
#112
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 409
May I ask what dates were you using to find $2200 cx jfk-kul fares? I’m doing the same routing as your original (jfk-doh-kul and paid the same via Amex iap) and leaving in a few days and while I did find some jfk-kul fares on AA for $2200, they were on JL and involved a 19hr layover in Tokyo. I don’t think I’m gonna switch flights, but regardless, 2.2k is a steal for that route on CX metal.
I’m sure waiting until 2 days out for a fare that may or may not be available isn’t a good solution but wanted to let you know in case it’s helps!
#113
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Brooklyn, NYC
Programs: QR PC Platinum, TK M&S elite, UA silver, ITA Voltaire Executive (lol), Marriott Bonvoy Platinum
Posts: 1,168
I was poking around, the magic number may be 2, as in making the booking 2 days before you fly. I made my AA reservation on Cathay metal through Amex Platinum January 8 evening for the January 10 departure. When I checked the next morning out of curiosity, the $2,200 fare was no longer there. I just now looked for flights departing January 13, lo and behold, it pops up again. It’s not even labeled as the International Airline program so maybe you don’t even need to be a Platinum Card holder to access.
I’m sure waiting until 2 days out for a fare that may or may not be available isn’t a good solution but wanted to let you know in case it’s helps!
I’m sure waiting until 2 days out for a fare that may or may not be available isn’t a good solution but wanted to let you know in case it’s helps!
#114
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 552
I'm flying DFW-DOH-ADL next week. If the flights are going, then I'll be on them.
I can't say that I won't be a little worried, especially in the last/first ~2 hours, but heck I was in the Army when I was younger, looked over the DMZ into North Korea from several vantage points and survived. QR must have about 30 flights a day between the US and DOH, and I have yet to hear of an issue with any of them.
I can't say that I won't be a little worried, especially in the last/first ~2 hours, but heck I was in the Army when I was younger, looked over the DMZ into North Korea from several vantage points and survived. QR must have about 30 flights a day between the US and DOH, and I have yet to hear of an issue with any of them.
#115
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 409
Yup, you’re right! I see it too! And the 13th is my actual day I was planing on flying anyway. Ughhh this puts me in quite the bind since I’d probs come out ahead even with changing fees and have the peace of mind of not flying over a conflict zone...buuuuuut I really really do enjoy QR J way more than CX J, especially since as of now all 4 of my segments are in Qsuites....(this is the ultimate first world problem, I know lol)
#116
Join Date: Jun 2018
Programs: qatar
Posts: 75
EU officially banned Iranian airspace for EU Airlines until further decision, banned all flights to Iran and also invited to possibly avoid Iraqi airspace.
Iranian airspace is clearly not safe, the mistake was not just to shoot down a place but to don't close the civilian airspace while missiles were shot in the air. When you have to decide something in few seconds you can do mistakes, but keeping the airspace open while there was a war it's unforgivable and clearly indicated that Iran airspace is controlled by idiots.
QR is forced to fly in this damn airspace, I am sorry for them but I won't fly Qatar until they will find alternatives, I don't trust anymore Iranian airspace, they clearly cannot be trusted anymore.
Iranian airspace is clearly not safe, the mistake was not just to shoot down a place but to don't close the civilian airspace while missiles were shot in the air. When you have to decide something in few seconds you can do mistakes, but keeping the airspace open while there was a war it's unforgivable and clearly indicated that Iran airspace is controlled by idiots.
QR is forced to fly in this damn airspace, I am sorry for them but I won't fly Qatar until they will find alternatives, I don't trust anymore Iranian airspace, they clearly cannot be trusted anymore.
#118
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Brooklyn, NYC
Programs: QR PC Platinum, TK M&S elite, UA silver, ITA Voltaire Executive (lol), Marriott Bonvoy Platinum
Posts: 1,168
EU officially banned Iranian airspace for EU Airlines until further decision, banned all flights to Iran and also invited to possibly avoid Iraqi airspace.
Iranian airspace is clearly not safe, the mistake was not just to shoot down a place but to don't close the civilian airspace while missiles were shot in the air. When you have to decide something in few seconds you can do mistakes, but keeping the airspace open while there was a war it's unforgivable and clearly indicated that Iran airspace is controlled by idiots.
QR is forced to fly in this damn airspace, I am sorry for them but I won't fly Qatar until they will find alternatives, I don't trust anymore Iranian airspace, they clearly cannot be trusted anymore.
Iranian airspace is clearly not safe, the mistake was not just to shoot down a place but to don't close the civilian airspace while missiles were shot in the air. When you have to decide something in few seconds you can do mistakes, but keeping the airspace open while there was a war it's unforgivable and clearly indicated that Iran airspace is controlled by idiots.
QR is forced to fly in this damn airspace, I am sorry for them but I won't fly Qatar until they will find alternatives, I don't trust anymore Iranian airspace, they clearly cannot be trusted anymore.
#119
Join Date: Jun 2018
Programs: qatar
Posts: 75
I agree and also disagree a bit with your sentiments. Iran absolutely should’ve closed down airspace as the strikes were being conducted (at least close down airspace to any flights leaving Iran). However, currently with the protests and reactions of the Iranian people to the govts handling of the Ukraine air downing, the Iranian govt and military are going to be that much more careful to make sure something like this doesn’t happen over *their* territory. Now, how their proxies in Iraq and other places act, that’s another story. So frankly, at this point, I wouldn’t be thaaaaat concerned with flying over Iranian airspace for fear of being hit by an Iranian missile. With that said, your choice to fly QR is up to you and if you are anxious flying over Iranian or Iraqi airspace, don’t do it. Anxiety sucks, especially on a long haul flight where one should be enjoying oneself, so one should really do whatever one is comfortable with. No shame in that!
I hope Iata will fix the airspace situation with QR because t's illegal the airspace blockade from Qatari neighbors, but from my side as a customer I have to think to my life and to the indications coming from my country, where Iranian airspace has been declared unsafe.
Last edited by msm2000uk; Jan 12, 2020 at 10:23 am Reason: To prevent OMNI
#120
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 3,723
I have IAD-DOH-MLE booked and MLE-DOH-SYD on hold. Will probably cancel the MLE-DOH-SYD as MLE-AUH-SYD looks safer.
Still on the fence about cancelling IAD-DOH-MLE as it looks like QR flights to/from the US are avoiding Iran and flying through Iraq now?
Still on the fence about cancelling IAD-DOH-MLE as it looks like QR flights to/from the US are avoiding Iran and flying through Iraq now?