QR Airspace
Jan 3, 2020, 7:42 pm
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QR Airspace
What would happen to QR flights if Iran airspace went void. I have a lot of luck booking flights from Canada going to South East Asia - Always perfect timing as to the areas we decide to spend a couple of weeks over the winter. Well actually it's not the final destination it's usually the connector other than Bangkok several years ago.
Does QR have any other options - would they use their codeshare partners if need be? We are flying YUL > DOH > BKK and return same route in early February
I know jumping to what ifs.....and such but I have a feeling this one is not going to turn out good!
Does QR have any other options - would they use their codeshare partners if need be? We are flying YUL > DOH > BKK and return same route in early February
I know jumping to what ifs.....and such but I have a feeling this one is not going to turn out good!
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Jan 3, 2020, 8:51 pm
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This is an important question for those of us flying QR in the coming days.
I remember that there was some thread a few months back when some tanker was attacked. I could not find it. Any help?
I remember that there was some thread a few months back when some tanker was attacked. I could not find it. Any help?
Jan 3, 2020, 9:44 pm
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As they do with some of their flights inbound from the EU and US, they would enter Iraq airspace from NW of Erbil and follow the jetway that take them east of Baghdad, over Basra and then exiting into Kuwait FIR (at least that's how we were doing it after I retired from ATL in 2015 and went to instruct/advise at Baghdad Approach for 2.5 yrs).
Jan 4, 2020, 12:28 am
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Even if Qatar houses some important US assets I doubt you would see QR shut out of Irani airspace in general, Qatar and Iran seem to be on pretty friendly terms. There my be isolated cases of airspace being unavailable if this goes beyong a pissing contest, but that is something that probably would be worked around as it happens. Unless this turns into a fully fledges Bolton-esque wet dream, then all bets are off.
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Jan 4, 2020, 1:45 am
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I was based in Doha during the 1st Gulf War. It was odd to be held on the tarmac at Doha awaiting departure being told by the captain that we would leave once a group of Canadian F-18s had landed following sorties over Iraq,
Jan 4, 2020, 7:50 am
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This was the thread I was looking for.
Will QR’s operations be affected by a US Iran conflict?
Given that many ME countries have banned QR from their airspace, the closing of Iranian air space would make it very difficult for QR. Sure they are ways around it, but QR would be competing with other airlines.
Will QR’s operations be affected by a US Iran conflict?
Given that many ME countries have banned QR from their airspace, the closing of Iranian air space would make it very difficult for QR. Sure they are ways around it, but QR would be competing with other airlines.
Jan 5, 2020, 3:27 am
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The entire QR ops is depending on the Tehran and Bahrain FIR. US, Canadian and British carriers are avoiding the Tehran FIR completely since June, so the 602, 688 and 860 over Iraq are very crowded already. Besides that the entire traffic bound for S.E. Asia and south China which avoids the Tehran FIR squeezes thru the Bahrain FIR:
Bottom line is that all ME3 will be severly impacted by any closure of the Tehran, Baghdad or Bahrain FIR.
Some links:
https://safeairspace.net/iran/
https://safeairspace.net/iraq/
https://skyvector.com/
Jan 5, 2020, 3:41 am
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Your first picture leaves me perplexed.
My understanding is that Bahrain, like Saudi Arabia and UAE, has banned overflights by QR. Can QR still use Barhain FIR?
From you picture, it looks impossible to fly out of Qatar.
I have fond this map of current routes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_...ar_Flights.png
My understanding is that Bahrain, like Saudi Arabia and UAE, has banned overflights by QR. Can QR still use Barhain FIR?
From you picture, it looks impossible to fly out of Qatar.
I have fond this map of current routes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_...ar_Flights.png
Jan 5, 2020, 7:35 am
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Your first picture leaves me perplexed.
My understanding is that Bahrain, like Saudi Arabia and UAE, has banned overflights by QR. Can QR still use Barhain FIR?
From you picture, it looks impossible to fly out of Qatar.
I have fond this map of current routes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_...ar_Flights.png
My understanding is that Bahrain, like Saudi Arabia and UAE, has banned overflights by QR. Can QR still use Barhain FIR?
From you picture, it looks impossible to fly out of Qatar.
I have fond this map of current routes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_...ar_Flights.png
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Jan 5, 2020, 1:20 pm
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Bahrain & Qatar were both British protectorates and only gained full independence in the early 1970s.
https://aviationanalyst.co.uk/2018/0...-the-blockade/
When Bahrain and Qatar gained their independence from the UK in 1971, there wasn’t any change to the FIR shapes in the Gulf region, which had previously been determined based on where military radars had initially been installed. These radars were positioned from a military efficiency perspective, without taking into account a future of thriving Gulf airline carriers.
Back in the 1970s, it was determined that equally distributing FIR areas (airspace) to each state would require flight crew to speak to four different air traffic controllers within the space of around 15-20 minutes. While there are some areas of the world where this occurs, the Gulf states didn’t see the need for a redistribution, given the hassle it would present to airline flight crew.
Jan 5, 2020, 3:05 pm
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Bahrain & Qatar were both British protectorates and only gained full independence in the early 1970s.
https://aviationanalyst.co.uk/2018/0...-the-blockade/
https://aviationanalyst.co.uk/2018/0...-the-blockade/
