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Old May 20, 2010 | 11:42 pm
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Originally Posted by david870mdg
Can't see the point in extending WP benefits to JQ as this is a third rate off shoot of QF, increasing its presence on domestic routes, but if Alan has his way the whole QF brand will end up like it anyway....

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Precisely the reason for WP benefits on JQ - particularly extra checked baggage allowance.
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Old May 20, 2010 | 11:49 pm
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Originally Posted by david870mdg
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An easy example is the sought after CX intra asia J trips.
Even MELSYD in J class / JQ*Class or AA "K-Up fares".
A small number of these can accrue WP (Emerald) status with QF whereas in CX / FinnAir / Other Programs, your actual mileage flown and the fare class booked might see you lucky to earn Ruby (or worst case nothing at all)
Every program has ways of "gaming" the system. There are plenty of programs where it's based entirely on mileage, however people fly on very cheap fares, generating little profit for the airline - just look at the Mileage Run forum. At least SCs go someway towards recognising that certain passengers are more valuable to the company.

As for MEL/SYD in J - you need to do 30 such trips to retain Plat (and 35 to make plat). I don't consider that to be a "small number"
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Old May 20, 2010 | 11:57 pm
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Originally Posted by seat_4D
A side to this would be a scale of status credits more in line with distance travelled and fare cost than the current basic multiples. For example PER to ADL, SYD, MEL, BNE and return all attract 20 credits at discount Y despite journey times of between 3 and 5 hours. If PER-ADL for example is 20 credits, and ADL-BNE 15, then PER-BNE should be 30 or 35 in discount Y

I would prefer to earn 20 credits flying MEL-SYD-MEL and BNE-PER in Y that is for certain.
+1!!!!!
I totally agree with this.
I did PER-SYD vv last year, maybe 7-9 times, on Red eDeals, and l was still only Silver. Cost ~$4000 and each return trip, say 10hours. The earning of SC's in Discount whY is TERRIBLE. Flying in J you'd hit SG comfortably and maybe even WP doing PER-ADL-SYD routing. It truly is a "Frequent Spender Program", not a "Frequent Flyer Program". But, what else can we do? There is no other "global alliance" to join in Australia (yet...)

OT, l thought that another OW carrier (can't think of it at the moment), had 2 Emerald levels? I'll have a search for it...

Not much difference though. But, JAL does have 2 Emerald tiers.
http://www.jal.co.jp/en/jalmile/flyon/status.html

Maybe QF will do similar????
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Old May 21, 2010 | 12:10 am
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I would like to see a closer alignment in the premium cabin earn/burn ratios. Business class only earns 25% more points than economy and First class only earns 50% more than economy, but burn rates are typically 100% and 200% premium over economy.
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Old May 21, 2010 | 12:37 am
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How about bringing back the bus???????
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Old May 21, 2010 | 1:35 am
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Originally Posted by serfty
Hmm ... before the May 2005 changes, MEL/BNE only earned 10 SC's in discount WHY!This already exists.

Are you ever at the gate lounges when boarding commences? Generally elites are invited to board at this time. Even if not and in the front row of WHY, I will board.
My business partner (WP) tried this yesterday on MEL-SYD flight. Huge line for 767 boarding and he went straight up to the front only to be told where to go.

It's the little things like this that go a long way... AA does it perfectly. Otherwise there's no benefit of spending cash with that airline given the limited overhead space these days. By NOT letting elites board at any time, QF are essentially rewarding low value customers.
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Old May 21, 2010 | 1:50 am
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Originally Posted by Oneworldplus2
I did PER-SYD vv last year, maybe 7-9 times, on Red eDeals, and l was still only Silver. Cost ~$4000 and each return trip, say 10hours. The earning of SC's in Discount whY is TERRIBLE. Flying in J you'd hit SG comfortably and maybe even WP doing PER-ADL-SYD routing.
Aaah, I think you will find that QF stack up pretty well in this regard compared to a lot of programs. A lot of airlines actually exclude earning on the most heavily discounted fares, or heavily discount the earning (look at NZ, SQ, TG, CX), at least you still get full points earned, and some contribution to status (FWIW if you did get a 100% miles earn on all fares, you would need 6 1/2 returns to SYD-PER to get to silver if it was based in the standard for such programs of 25,000 miles = silver)
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Old May 21, 2010 | 1:50 am
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The JL 2 Emerald tiers is more a case of having an "Emerald Light" (80K points for Emerald vs. 100K points in AA, etc.) with the 2nd tier at the real Emerald level. A response to their market conditions and financial status

QF already has too many Emeralds, they need an Emerald Heavy with some decent benefits (though I am absolutely sure limo is not going to be one of them). QF has had an informal Emerald Heavy level in the past, one year I got a case of wine at Xmas from QF and this was strictly revenue based (not mileage -- bought lots of F fares that year from QF before I discovered AONEx and switched to CX).
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Old May 21, 2010 | 7:12 am
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Originally Posted by lokijuh
Aaah, I think you will find that QF stack up pretty well in this regard compared to a lot of programs. A lot of airlines actually exclude earning on the most heavily discounted fares, or heavily discount the earning (look at NZ, SQ, TG, CX), at least you still get full points earned, and some contribution to status (FWIW if you did get a 100% miles earn on all fares, you would need 6 1/2 returns to SYD-PER to get to silver if it was based in the standard for such programs of 25,000 miles = silver)
True, the first one that springs to mind is Singapore Airlines, as you mentioned above.

JAL was only an example of the way QF might be heading. They might have a heavy and light WP level? Then again, if you fly in J or F, you get most of the benefits anyway that you'd get by been a SG or WP. More luggage, lounge (sometimes arrival lounge too), express lanes sometimes all come with J or F Class.
Does QF offer limo service for F Class? I'm pretty sure that Emirates does for J Class in some Australian cities.
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Old May 21, 2010 | 7:50 pm
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Originally Posted by Oneworldplus2
...Does QF offer limo service for F Class? I'm pretty sure that Emirates does for J Class in some Australian cities.
No limo service has ever been offered by QF -- and I suspect it never will be. Some airlines have used the addition of limo service to beef up their product and make it more competitive -- usually due to having an inferior in-air product. QF has invested hundreds of millions in improving J in the past 4 years, so they aren't lacking in that respect.

A QFF improvement that I would like to see would be to change the website to include a more rational list of airport codes for awards. Perhaps based on cities that QF actually flies to (either own metal or codeshare). What a radical idea, be able to select QF flights; maybe half of the current list are to cities with no QF service, even as a codeshare. How did QF get into such an absurd situation? Crack management, indeed.
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Old May 21, 2010 | 8:18 pm
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Originally Posted by AUS_MD
I would like to see a 'super tier' above platinum, with additional benefits for members with (say) >3500 SCs per annum. I think this is quite likely to be introduced in the next year or so.
There already is a hidden tier with extra benefits for high SC WPs. I'm not sure what the cut-off is (and it may not necessarily be fixed number of SCs either).
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Old May 21, 2010 | 8:25 pm
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Originally Posted by shillard
1. Lifetime Platinum Status - even at 21,000 or 28,000 LTSCs.

2. More WP benefits extended to JQ pax, particularly as QF have frequently dumped routes onto JQ leaving the consumer with no choice (eg: NTL-MEL). Separate to this, the best thing they could do to enhance JQ would be to open check-in MORE than 2 hours prior to departure.
#1 would see me fly much more QF than I do currently, not only to qualify for it but to enjoy the fruits of my labour (based in NZ anytime lounge access is of very limited help).

#2 would see me consider JQ for domestic & trans-Tasman instead of flat ruling it out (except when travelling on BFOD rules where JQ has a suitable fare & schedule).
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Old May 22, 2010 | 1:20 am
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Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer
There already is a hidden tier with extra benefits for high SC WPs. I'm not sure what the cut-off is (and it may not necessarily be fixed number of SCs either).

I'd be curious to learn more about this. It is certainly contrary to the information conveyed at the focus groups, apart from the odd bottle of Grange at Xmas.
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Old May 22, 2010 | 4:00 am
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News to me - I racked up over 3,000 SCs one year, got some wine and a nice letter - that's about the extent of "hidden tier" benefits. Other than "CIP" on the boarding passes for international flights and connections to/ from international flights.
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Old May 22, 2010 | 4:43 am
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Originally Posted by shillard
News to me - I racked up over 3,000 SCs one year, got some wine and a nice letter - that's about the extent of "hidden tier" benefits. Other than "CIP" on the boarding passes for international flights and connections to/ from international flights.
The only thing I got during my 5000SC years was PG.
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