Rumoured FIRST reductions
Feb 22, 2010, 1:42 am
#121
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Get rid of real F on many routes.
Replace with F-lite (ie, lie flat J and jammies but no Krug or Dom). (I wonder how long it will take for it be called FirstBusiness or somesuch...)
Charge the same as or close to what real F used to cost.
Call me a cynic, but it would not surprise me in the least if that is what comes to pass.
Replace with F-lite (ie, lie flat J and jammies but no Krug or Dom). (I wonder how long it will take for it be called FirstBusiness or somesuch...)
Charge the same as or close to what real F used to cost.
Call me a cynic, but it would not surprise me in the least if that is what comes to pass.
Business class, over the past 20 years, has improved dramatically (who had lie-flat seats in J 20 years ago?) yet prices haven't dramatically increased.
Now, it's becoming difficult for people/corporates to justify paying F prices. If J prices end up where F is now, then I'm sure there's some up-and-coming airline (aka a future Emirates) that will offer the same facilities at current J prices.
Feb 22, 2010, 1:51 am
#122
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I don't have the exact figures, but when CX and QF introduced skybeds and equivalent on SYD-HKG, fares did increase pretty dramatically when the fitouts were complete. IIRC, full fare J class on this route was about $HKD 28k ex-HKG in 2001, now the fare is $HKD 41k for a full fare J class seat.
Feb 22, 2010, 11:11 am
#124
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Feb 22, 2010, 7:40 pm
#125
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Me too. Two F tix on QF74 SFO-SYD at the beginning of May have been converted to biz. Annoying, AA sent no notification of this. The agent first suggested a refunding of the miles down to biz but when I prodded she is checking with QF about a re-routing via LAX. Should hear back in 24 hours.
Not sure how this will play if QF is reluctant. I'll try and stand my ground but am not sure what more I can do.
Not sure how this will play if QF is reluctant. I'll try and stand my ground but am not sure what more I can do.
I'm on QF 127 (SYD-HKG) in Sep, it's still showing me in F.... should I be
worried?
Feb 22, 2010, 7:52 pm
#126
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It's QF though so time will tell, but I dare say not until June is far closer.
FWIW, QF73/74 are predominately leisure routes, and F has always been lower demand than the more popular LAX-SYD-LAX routes.
Feb 22, 2010, 8:11 pm
#127
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Quite possibly. With the announcement that F is going, it's possible they'll extend the F seats sold as J until then, but at this stage it's only until June. It's like the Y/Y+/J/F re-assignements that were so common last year, and now have just changed to J/F re-assignments. The original re-assignments were extended several times beyond their original cut-off date (and some are still going, ie SYD-EZE and vv).
It's QF though so time will tell, but I dare say not until June is far closer.
FWIW, QF73/74 are predominately leisure routes, and F has always been lower demand than the more popular LAX-SYD-LAX routes.
It's QF though so time will tell, but I dare say not until June is far closer.
FWIW, QF73/74 are predominately leisure routes, and F has always been lower demand than the more popular LAX-SYD-LAX routes.
Feb 22, 2010, 9:22 pm
#128
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From what has been said, there will be no F to LHR via HKG, only SIN on the A380. This would seem to indicate that anything via HKG is losing F, although there were rumours/hearsay that the HKG F lounge was going to be upgraded to be on-par with MEL/SYD F Lounges, although I suspect that this won't be the case.
Feb 22, 2010, 11:13 pm
#129
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From what has been said, there will be no F to LHR via HKG, only SIN on the A380. This would seem to indicate that anything via HKG is losing F, although there were rumours/hearsay that the HKG F lounge was going to be upgraded to be on-par with MEL/SYD F Lounges, although I suspect that this won't be the case.
Feb 23, 2010, 1:34 am
#130
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Feb 23, 2010, 5:19 am
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Feb 23, 2010, 7:14 am
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Thanks QF!
Feb 23, 2010, 8:47 am
#134
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Feb 23, 2010, 8:51 am
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With regards to the SYD/LHR F service, I understand it will ultimately be cut , but I was wondering about the chances of it downgrading to "J service in F seat" this summer...
It looks like you can still buy F on QF127 during the same period that QF 74 (SFO) only offers J, so perhaps it will remain with F offering until 2011/12.