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cfischer Feb 20, 2019 5:33 pm


Originally Posted by Oxymore (Post 30802025)
In F? How did I miss that one!? Was it posted here?

I am pretty sure it was! Spain in general out of BOS via JFK with JFK-CDG in F.

Keter Feb 21, 2019 4:48 am


Originally Posted by Keter (Post 30795426)
Seems like the fare differential is missing for an upgrade from Z to F, but I do not know why (and if this is bookable of course). And the reason why the fare differential is low (when it is added, USD 1,237) is probably that this Z fare is an 'unrestricted' one.

BTW I recalled a case which may have similar causes as this one. SU fares BKK-NYC in PE which booked to J on BKK-MOW part. That was a fare differential constuction but for some reason the differential was zero (for the upgrade from cheapest premium economy A to Z, I, and D classes; and some relatively small amounts to upgrade to C and J). The glitch was GDS specific.
After that SU simply prohibited to use its fares for differential construction:D If you dont understand it - BAN it:D

Seems many airlines do not understans how differential pricing works or at least do not pay attention to the setting which shall keep fares clean from such glitches.

Keter Feb 21, 2019 5:07 am

A hint: seems my original guess was right and the issue is relatively cheap 'BU - business unrestricted' fare (wrong type probably). This works with NYC-CAI ZFF fare - without a differential on certain week days, not a good price (5.9K) but a good confirmation to my theory,

747jetter Feb 21, 2019 3:50 pm

Does anybody see any 77W? I could have found only 8am departure CDG-JFK which does not sound appealing to me.

yutuyu Feb 21, 2019 11:31 pm

So basically does this faire and the CAI fare can be book somewhere? I most admit I am bite lost..

torontochinese Feb 21, 2019 11:51 pm


Originally Posted by yutuyu (Post 30808169)
So basically does this faire and the CAI fare can be book somewhere? I most admit I am bite lost..

no, it is not bookable. i don't know why this is not removed.

Gino Troian Feb 21, 2019 11:54 pm


Originally Posted by yutuyu (Post 30808169)
So basically does this faire and the CAI fare can be book somewhere? I most admit I am bite lost..

not sure about CAI, but I know the fare I posted is bookable (with F seat selection, etc), just nobody knows if DL/AF will cancel your ticket or downgrade to business. the difference with this fare is that it's DL coded, not AF, so it could have different results than the stories posted upthread

Gino Troian Feb 22, 2019 12:08 am

if you look at the DL ZN1H56D1 fare rules, it clearly states the following:
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...b498f22fd8.png

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...5bb5fe928c.png

NYC Flyer Feb 22, 2019 1:05 am


Originally Posted by Gino Troian (Post 30808239)
if you look at the DL ZN1H56D1 fare rules, it clearly states the following:
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...b498f22fd8.png

Here is detail on permitted booking codes. No F on overwater segments permitted, just within USA/Canada. There is a booking class mapping error with some of the booking engines.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...c3d99d2edf.png

Keter Feb 22, 2019 1:36 am


Originally Posted by Gino Troian (Post 30808239)
if you look at the DL ZN1H56D1 fare rules, it clearly states the following:
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...b498f22fd8.png

Fare application is just for information, this text is never linked to any coding ( NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.). It never matters what this part of fare rules is saying.

But the linked seatmap does matter of course:)

Keter Feb 22, 2019 1:39 am


Originally Posted by NYC Flyer (Post 30808372)
Here is detail on permitted booking codes. No F on overwater segments permitted, just within USA/Canada. There is a booking class mapping error with some of the booking engines.

Again to me its a fare differential lost for an upgrade from Z to F for unknown reason rather than a coding error. But I saw coding errors too (when a fare rule text validated for autopricing does not correspond to the actual coding), so it could be that too.

flyerCO Feb 22, 2019 1:53 am


Originally Posted by Keter (Post 30808439)
Again to me its a fare differential lost for an upgrade from Z to F for unknown reason rather than a coding error. But I saw coding errors too (when a fare rule text validated for autopricing does not correspond to the actual coding), so it could be that too.

it's a common and frequently seen error that happens with DL codeshares on AF flights. This isn't the even close to first time this has been an issue with these fares.


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