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DL/AF JFK-ACC "La Première / First" $2,798
Pretty killer deal for ex-US F. This is a DL-based fare that allows for AF codeshare.
Unfortunately, the only segment in F will be the transatlantic sector; the rest will be in business class. You can fly both transatlantic segments on the 777 for a better F experience, however, you'll have to play around with the dates and times. Note: 50 Day Advance Purchase required! https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...7cc7a0bcd7.png |
The sample schedule would give lots of time to enjoy the AF FC Salon lounge at CDG in both directions. IIRC with an AF IFC ticket, one is entitled to use the FC lounge even if the onward connection is a flight with only business class. |
How's is this SLC-ACC IN F at $4300 a deal? You list flights for JFK-ACC ibstead of SLC-ACC and even then only short JFK/CDG is in F.
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Originally Posted by flyerCO
(Post 30794821)
How's is this SLC-ACC IN F at $4300 a deal? You list flights for JFK-ACC ibstead of SLC-ACC and even then only short JFK/CDG is in F.
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I can't seem to be able to find this outside of Google flights. Do I need to call or something? AF's own website is only letting me search for J (when I select F it takes me to a J result). Anyone else having any luck?
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Originally Posted by YGeorgeW
(Post 30794834)
I can't seem to be able to find this outside of Google flights. Do I need to call or something? AF's own website is only letting me search for J (when I select F it takes me to a J result). Anyone else having any luck?
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it's a good fare for sure. Nice layover in CDG. Would go for it if it was a BOS fare ... and ... is it bookable? Looks like a Z-class fare to me.
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I don't think it's bookable unfortunately. I tried Priceline (sorry, don't have enough posts to post the images yet), but when you click continue to checkout, you get an error. Delta and FlightNetwork gave me Z-class fares.
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Originally Posted by YGeorgeW
(Post 30794979)
I don't think it's bookable unfortunately. I tried Priceline (sorry, don't have enough posts to post the images yet), but when you click continue to checkout, you get an error. Delta and FlightNetwork gave me Z-class fares.
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Originally Posted by YGeorgeW
(Post 30794979)
I don't think it's bookable unfortunately. I tried Priceline (sorry, don't have enough posts to post the images yet), but when you click continue to checkout, you get an error. Delta and FlightNetwork gave me Z-class fares.
Originally Posted by cfischer
(Post 30794983)
agreed. This is likely a Matrix Display error and not bookable.
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I was able to price out the fare and select seats via Expedia - do you think if I were to go through and confirm purchase, they would modify the booking to J on the F leg?
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price it out on priceline with KLM legs to/from ACC, lie flat, better than AF
2863 https://www.priceline.com/m/fly/sear...id=11554367SID |
Originally Posted by Gino Troian
(Post 30795066)
I was able to price out the fare and select seats via Expedia - do you think if I were to go through and confirm purchase, they would modify the booking to J on the F leg?
I think issue is related to A class being a permitted booking inventory in the fare rules—of course this is intended to let pax sit in premium economy if Z is sold out, not first class (and for some reason certain booking channels are reading this as an upgrade to first class, which A has been associated with historically). If Being downgraded to the DL “Z”, or DL “A” if Z is sold out, is acceptable if the error is caught, and/or you don’t mind potential back and forth with AF and/or Expedia over the ticket, there’s nothing to lose. |
I would not be so sure... Some fare coding bugs are specific to certain GDSs (sometime the fare text does not correspond to the coding made [and thus to how it actually works] for example). The agent has no responsibility over those, GDS may be responsible I guess depending on the arrangements with an airline..
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Seems like the fare differential is missing for an upgrade from Z to F, but I do not know why (and if this is bookable of course). And the reason why the fare differential is low (when it is added, USD 1,237) is probably that this Z fare is an 'unrestricted' one.
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Originally Posted by Keter
(Post 30795413)
I would not be so sure... Some fare coding bugs are specific to certain GDSs (sometime the fare text does not correspond to the coding made [and thus to how it actually works] for example). The agent has no responsibility over those, GDS may be responsible I guess depending on the arrangements with an airline..
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Just as a small data point - I have seen MANY good AF F fares via Google Flights that I've clicked into and then they are not bookable.
Like many in the $2-4k range that end up unbookable. Only AF, never another airline. So I'd be wary of a seemingly great AF fare until someone reports back as having booked it. Just my 2 cents |
Originally Posted by dval44
(Post 30795518)
Just as a small data point - I have seen MANY good AF F fares via Google Flights that I've clicked into and then they are not bookable.
Like many in the $2-4k range BTW i recall DL is using Martix, so even if it is just an ITA bug rather than a GDS bug you WILL be able to book this via DL (ie ITA powertools). |
Originally Posted by dval44
(Post 30795518)
Just as a small data point - I have seen MANY good AF F fares via Google Flights that I've clicked into and then they are not bookable.
Like many in the $2-4k range that end up unbookable. Only AF, never another airline. So I'd be wary of a seemingly great AF fare until someone reports back as having booked it. Just my 2 cents |
Until every recently A was a discount (or even deep discount) domestic FC fare class and booking class on DL. In addition, often international Z and I fares would book into A for domestic connecting segments in FC. Similar classes would be G (lower than A) and P (higher than A and included some refundable fares, but F was refundable unrestricted last-seat-availability domestic FC). IIRC AF uses P for IFC and maybe also A for discount IFC. Certain other international carriers do this too. |
So it's been proven it's possible to assign seats in F, but has anyone booked this? This is not like the WAS/DAL-DXB AF flight that always comes up on GF (which is 100% mapping error) - it's DL-coded and bookable by online travel agent.
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Originally Posted by Gino Troian
(Post 30797474)
So it's been proven it's possible to assign seats in F, but has anyone booked this? This is not like the WAS/DAL-DXB AF flight that always comes up on GF (which is 100% mapping error) - it's DL-coded and bookable by online travel agent.
Special fares on Air France is no-go, waste of time. |
Originally Posted by Sauraigne
(Post 30797607)
When it comes to AF - and only AF - from all experience we have here (and me personally), you will get downgraded, you will have your ticket cancelled, and you will spend at least half a year to get your money back.
Special fares on Air France is no-go, waste of time. |
Originally Posted by ranskis
(Post 30798713)
That's more or less true from my experience. However in the past, they played very fairly with the MXP FRA and KEF BKK J fares, I had a lot of fun with them :)
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Originally Posted by Sauraigne
(Post 30797607)
When it comes to AF - and only AF - from all experience we have here (and me personally), you will get downgraded, you will have your ticket cancelled, and you will spend at least half a year to get your money back.
Special fares on Air France is no-go, waste of time. Last year we flew BOS-JFK-BIO r/t in F-class on AF for $2600, so it is not complete out of the realm of 'fare sales', but the Z booking into F in kind of weird. |
Originally Posted by Gino Troian
(Post 30794828)
I updated the thread title and fare - not sure if everything has caught up/updated yet. The original post was SLC-ACC via LAX JFK and CDG (lots of miles) for $4,300 which is still a pretty good deal IMO, but the JFK fare is MUCH better @ $2,700.
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is this bookable? no booking options on GF.
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Originally Posted by torontochinese
(Post 30800732)
is this bookable? no booking options on GF.
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Originally Posted by torontochinese
(Post 30800732)
is this bookable? no booking options on GF.
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Originally Posted by cfischer
(Post 30799089)
Last year we flew BOS-JFK-BIO r/t in F-class on AF for $2600, so it is not complete out of the realm of 'fare sales', but the Z booking into F in kind of weird.
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Originally Posted by Oxymore
(Post 30802025)
In F? How did I miss that one!? Was it posted here?
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Originally Posted by Keter
(Post 30795426)
Seems like the fare differential is missing for an upgrade from Z to F, but I do not know why (and if this is bookable of course). And the reason why the fare differential is low (when it is added, USD 1,237) is probably that this Z fare is an 'unrestricted' one.
After that SU simply prohibited to use its fares for differential construction:D If you dont understand it - BAN it:D Seems many airlines do not understans how differential pricing works or at least do not pay attention to the setting which shall keep fares clean from such glitches. |
A hint: seems my original guess was right and the issue is relatively cheap 'BU - business unrestricted' fare (wrong type probably). This works with NYC-CAI ZFF fare - without a differential on certain week days, not a good price (5.9K) but a good confirmation to my theory,
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Does anybody see any 77W? I could have found only 8am departure CDG-JFK which does not sound appealing to me.
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So basically does this faire and the CAI fare can be book somewhere? I most admit I am bite lost.. |
Originally Posted by yutuyu
(Post 30808169)
So basically does this faire and the CAI fare can be book somewhere? I most admit I am bite lost.. |
Originally Posted by yutuyu
(Post 30808169)
So basically does this faire and the CAI fare can be book somewhere? I most admit I am bite lost.. |
if you look at the DL ZN1H56D1 fare rules, it clearly states the following:
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...b498f22fd8.png https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...5bb5fe928c.png |
Originally Posted by Gino Troian
(Post 30808239)
if you look at the DL ZN1H56D1 fare rules, it clearly states the following:
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...b498f22fd8.png https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...c3d99d2edf.png |
Originally Posted by Gino Troian
(Post 30808239)
if you look at the DL ZN1H56D1 fare rules, it clearly states the following:
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...b498f22fd8.png But the linked seatmap does matter of course:) |
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