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mikeyfly Aug 20, 2018 6:18 am


Originally Posted by nufnuf77 (Post 30104554)
I think this is a new level of paranoia previously unseen on the forum. Watch out for those secret agents with oneworld purple vests who will force you onto AMS leg ;)

You mean "help" you on to the next flight :D :D

Make sure you don't mention these things over on the BA board

IAANN Aug 20, 2018 6:29 am

Good deal but doesn't gives many TPs. it's £3.40/TP, very expensive! :)

Wozza2404 Aug 20, 2018 7:24 am


Originally Posted by IAANN (Post 30104581)
Good deal but doesn't gives many TPs. it's £3.40/TP, very expensive! :)

Which is why this is posted here and not in the Tier Point Run thread.

nufnuf77 Aug 20, 2018 8:33 am


Originally Posted by IAANN (Post 30104581)
Good deal but doesn't gives many TPs. it's £3.40/TP, very expensive! :)

A little GUF using a TA thrown in and you are in a good earner...

IAANN Aug 20, 2018 11:31 am


Originally Posted by mikeyfly (Post 29907170)
Thanks for re-flagging this one. It is a decent fare and routes can be created to maximise night flights (aka avoid the LHR-BKK direct!) what you can do is a AMS-LHR-HKG-BKK-KUL-LHR-AMS through the Holidays making function (ensure your country is set to Netherlands before trying)

You can then get the above combo on many many dates, allowing better aircraft, times and Upgrading to F if you book on dates with Award availability (mainly into 2019) which will make it a very pleasant experience. Best part - can pay EUR300 deposit and pay off as and when you can. Have a play around - the Holiday function always starts with LHR-BKK but you can change to HKG & KUL fairly easily. If it doesn't give you exactly what you want, book and call within 24 hours and change to the flights you prefer, still only paying a deposit :)

Mikey, do you have a link to the journey you just described out of interest?

Thanks!

CX_newbie Aug 20, 2018 9:04 pm

Has anyone been able to add a LHR stopover on the way back? Presume this wouldn't add too much APD as the next flight is to AMS.

GGLwannabe Aug 21, 2018 12:59 am


Originally Posted by CX_newbie (Post 30108233)
Has anyone been able to add a LHR stopover on the way back? Presume this wouldn't add too much APD as the next flight is to AMS.

I'm currently on my LHR stopover. I arrived back from HKG, having gone out via SIN.

Reward availability wasn't great, so I used a joker along with my GUF to force an upgrade to First (which sadly is no longer the experience it used to be) on the long haul legs.

I am using my final inbound flight to AMS, along with the return half of my positioning flight to give me a mini break (to be taken in Leeuwarden) in mid-November.

From memory this added around £100 to the cost; part of this is an additional stopover charge, and the remainder APD.

Ededdneddie Aug 21, 2018 4:49 am

Thank you :) I had a feeling I was being a bit wet

mikeyfly Aug 21, 2018 6:16 am


Originally Posted by Ededdneddie (Post 30109268)
Thank you :) I had a feeling I was being a bit wet

;)

Please do let us know if you get detained by the airline at Heathrow

Ededdneddie Aug 21, 2018 7:35 am

haha :eek: I'll make sure I 'go-pro' it and post it here, upon my release. :D

mediamonkey Aug 21, 2018 10:16 am

Okay. So what’s the deal with the Heathrow stopover? Can anyone enlighten me? I would love to not need to reposition back to AMS. But equally couldn’t mind going to AMS for a short break a month or so later.

Thanks

Frequent flyer 101 Aug 21, 2018 4:00 pm


Originally Posted by mediamonkey (Post 30110694)
Okay. So what’s the deal with the Heathrow stopover? Can anyone enlighten me? I would love to not need to reposition back to AMS. But equally couldn’t mind going to AMS for a short break a month or so later.

Thanks

You can book the last leg as LGW-AMS. This means a change of airports and thus, you have to collect your bags.

/Edit Misread sorry :)

sxc Aug 21, 2018 10:09 pm


Originally Posted by mediamonkey (Post 30110694)
Okay. So what’s the deal with the Heathrow stopover? Can anyone enlighten me? I would love to not need to reposition back to AMS. But equally couldn’t mind going to AMS for a short break a month or so later.

Thanks

There are discussions here about this fare: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...l#post29235643

But essentially extra stopovers within europe cost EUR 100

mediamonkey Aug 22, 2018 12:34 am


Originally Posted by Frequent flyer 101 (Post 30112461)
You can book the last leg as LGW-AMS. This means a change of airports and thus, you have to collect your bags.

/Edit Misread sorry :)

This is actually interesting.... I could do this and then cancel the final leg. Good to know

mikeyfly Aug 22, 2018 12:53 am

Just booked the final leg from LGW or LCY if possible, Otherwise, add an overnight in LHR and get off the longhaul and walk out - losing 40TPs only.

Palmer Aug 22, 2018 11:01 am

I’m assuming that I can book this but over the phone with BA?

https://www.google.co.uk/flights/#fl...P;e:1;sd:1;t:s

For £1467 or thereabouts?

Palmer


JJBe Aug 23, 2018 2:36 am


Originally Posted by Great_circle (Post 29940113)

Exactly my goal, and while the fare rules make it possible to do a (very) long stopover in KUL and merely pass through ‘destination’ BKK it can only be booked when you ring up BA.
As I travel in the very beginning of a new TP collecting year anyway I decided to do it the easy way and book the 1441,- euros AMS-LHR-BKK-LHR-AMS fare and book BKK-KUL-BKK separately.

I was wondering what happens in this scenario - if you would go for AMS-KUL first and two weeks later for KUL-BKK and BKK-AMS on the same day (with say 3h in BKK to connect). In case you miss your connection in BKK, are you 'protected'? Will you need to collect luggage in BKK and check in separately for the BKK-AMS part (assuming this is one ticket)??

Any experiences?

JJBe

nufnuf77 Aug 23, 2018 2:40 am


Originally Posted by JJBe (Post 30118811)
I was wondering what happens in this scenario - if you would go for AMS-KUL first and two weeks later for KUL-BKK and BKK-AMS on the same day (with say 3h in BKK to connect). In case you miss your connection in BKK, are you 'protected'? Will you need to collect luggage in BKK and check in separately for the BKK-AMS part (assuming this is one ticket)??

Any experiences?

JJBe

It's one ticket, you are protected and no luggage can be checked to any onward destination within 24 hours. In fact MH, CX, JAL, NH all check to any airline they interline with even on separate tickets, unlike BA that does not do this for its passengers.

exactlyaron Aug 23, 2018 5:09 am

Hello all, just after a bit of assistance / suggestion with this.

I've managed to put together AMS-HKG-BKK-KUL-AMS for £1500 on Google Flights. With a good 4 days in each city.

I'd like to try and fit in SIN some how as part of a little SE Asia holiday, but I'm struggling to get it in the middle some where. I could use Avios and do a BKK-SIN return before the BKK-KUL.

GGLwannabe Aug 23, 2018 6:24 am

SIN is a lot closer to KUL than BKK, so why not do a KUL-SIN return, either on Avios, or on Air Asia for about £65 return.

OR fly back from SIN to AMS and do the short-haul trip from SIN-KUL. That would enable you to fly Cathay from BKK to SIN (wide body, lie-flat, as opposed to Malaysian's 737s)

KC818 Aug 23, 2018 7:34 am


Originally Posted by exactlyaron (Post 30119143)
Hello all, just after a bit of assistance / suggestion with this.

I've managed to put together AMS-HKG-BKK-KUL-AMS for £1500 on Google Flights. With a good 4 days in each city.

I'd like to try and fit in SIN some how as part of a little SE Asia holiday, but I'm struggling to get it in the middle some where. I could use Avios and do a BKK-SIN return before the BKK-KUL.

Don't think you can have both SIN and KUL on the BA INCEU28 fare but perhaps more experienced people knows how to do it.

I would do AMS-HKG via LHR on BA (you can stay almost a whole day in London if you pick a late flight, i.e. arriving in London after 1840); then HKG-BKK and BKK-SIN on CX; a separate ticket for SIN-KUL can be as cheap as £45 return then from SIN-AMS on BA.

The BA flights can be on the A380 and the CX A350. With stopovers in every city, it's about £1,650 including the cheap return for SIN-KUL.

exactlyaron Aug 23, 2018 10:07 am


Originally Posted by GGLwannabe (Post 30119373)
SIN is a lot closer to KUL than BKK, so why not do a KUL-SIN return, either on Avios, or on Air Asia for about £65 return.

OR fly back from SIN to AMS and do the short-haul trip from SIN-KUL. That would enable you to fly Cathay from BKK to SIN (wide body, lie-flat, as opposed to Malaysian's 737s)


Originally Posted by KC818 (Post 30119668)
Don't think you can have both SIN and KUL on the BA INCEU28 fare but perhaps more experienced people knows how to do it.

I would do AMS-HKG via LHR on BA (you can stay almost a whole day in London if you pick a late flight, i.e. arriving in London after 1840); then HKG-BKK and BKK-SIN on CX; a separate ticket for SIN-KUL can be as cheap as £45 return then from SIN-AMS on BA.

The BA flights can be on the A380 and the CX A350. With stopovers in every city, it's about £1,650 including the cheap return for SIN-KUL.

Cool thanks both.

I've had a play around with dates so now I'm seeing the SIN-AMS prices. I'll have to give BA a ring I think as I'm planning for this time next year, and Google Flights doesn't have the SIN-AMS pricing at this point for July, but KUL retrun is. Either one doesn't bother me really just wanted to try and get them all in the one booking.

nufnuf77 Aug 23, 2018 12:32 pm


Originally Posted by exactlyaron (Post 30120408)
Cool thanks both.

I've had a play around with dates so now I'm seeing the SIN-AMS prices. I'll have to give BA a ring I think as I'm planning for this time next year, and Google Flights doesn't have the SIN-AMS pricing at this point for July, but KUL retrun is. Either one doesn't bother me really just wanted to try and get them all in the one booking.

Bear in mind BKK-KUL on MH I class earns 0 TPs or avios, whilst I class on BKK-SIN CX earns 40TPs and 1000 Avios or so

GGLwannabe Aug 24, 2018 1:56 am


Originally Posted by nufnuf77 (Post 30121113)
Bear in mind BKK-KUL on MH I class earns 0 TPs or avios, whilst I class on BKK-SIN CX earns 40TPs and 1000 Avios or so

Very good point, and one I could have fallen foul of.

I'm planning another of these ex-AMS trips for next year, and I will need all the tier points I can get to stay GGL

Having now had a look at the fare construction on ITA Matrix, it seems that all non-BA sectors are ticketed in I class, which indeed on MH provides no tier points or Avios. So it looks like I'm going to have to forget about trying the BA 787-900 to KUL

I was trying to check booking classes for the trip I've not quite completed, but I can see no way of finding out booking class of sectors already flown on BA.com. Does anyone know if there is a way?

KC818 Aug 24, 2018 2:02 am


Originally Posted by GGLwannabe (Post 30123650)
Very good point, and one I could have fallen foul of.

I'm planning another of these ex-AMS trips for next year, and I will need all the tier points I can get to stay GGL

Having now had a look at the fare construction on ITA Matrix, it seems that all non-BA sectors are ticketed in I class, which indeed on MH provides no tier points or Avios. So it looks like I'm going to have to forget about trying the BA 787-900 to KUL

I was trying to check booking classes for the trip I've not quite completed, but I can see no way of finding out booking class of sectors already flown on BA.com. Does anyone know if there is a way?

If you have the BA App, go to My Account and then Recent Transactions. The selling class of the flown sectors are in the brackets of the flight details.

Otherwise they are shown in the receipt for the booking.

GGLwannabe Aug 24, 2018 3:43 am

Yep, they're on the app - thanks. I can't see them anywhere on my e-ticket booking receipt however.

ubiest Aug 24, 2018 4:38 am


Originally Posted by GGLwannabe (Post 30123650)
Very good point, and one I could have fallen foul of.

I'm planning another of these ex-AMS trips for next year, and I will need all the tier points I can get to stay GGL

Having now had a look at the fare construction on ITA Matrix, it seems that all non-BA sectors are ticketed in I class, which indeed on MH provides no tier points or Avios. So it looks like I'm going to have to forget about trying the BA 787-900 to KUL

I was trying to check booking classes for the trip I've not quite completed, but I can see no way of finding out booking class of sectors already flown on BA.com. Does anyone know if there is a way?

As KUL is 160 TPs the net is just -20 TP vis a vis HKG, so while not good for racking up the most TPs, it’s hardly a tragedy, especially when the alternative might be a 777 to HKG or SIN.
Also bear in mind that you can route KUL-BKK on RJ, which does give TPs in I; however, it attracts a higher higher YQ.

GGLwannabe Aug 24, 2018 5:43 am

Ah, I wasn't aware KUL was a higher tier point earning destination.

I think I should redo my sums, particularly as I'll be using a GUF and booking via a travel agent so I should actually get 240 points for LHR-KUL rather than 210 points for LHR-HKG, so only -10 points!

PxC Aug 24, 2018 11:53 am

Planning a trip with the Mrs to BKK for the end of November and having a massive dilemma...

Gulf Air and their amazing dreamliner hard product in business (probably the best hard product going) LHR - BAH - BKK £1075... downsides, earns no miles/tier points etc. Don't suppose anyone know when these prices end?

BA AMS-LHR-HKG-BKK and back...£1375 got a GUF2 to upgrade to First both ways, earn tier points/miles... but don't want to lose GUF2 yet and I actually think other products would be better for a couple than Rev Herringbone BA First, which doesn't excite me any more than QR J would.

Wait for another airline sale, particularly QR (missing that damn Penang fare was annoying)

Argghhh

Calchas Aug 24, 2018 12:46 pm

Removed

mr_botak Aug 25, 2018 12:50 am

Another plus for GF - BAH-BKK goes 787 in November - from the 15th from memory.

anniegray Aug 25, 2018 2:02 am

That's a good price on Golf Air

Great_circle Aug 25, 2018 8:21 am


Originally Posted by nufnuf77 (Post 30121113)
Bear in mind BKK-KUL on MH I class earns 0 TPs or avios, whilst I class on BKK-SIN CX earns 40TPs and 1000 Avios or so

Actually I have a one way KUL BKK coming up, booked as Business Smart and it is class:Z for 681 MYR. Also my wife and I are currently on a domestic trip KUL-KBR-KUL which is also booking class:Z.
And Z om MH counts for tier points according the BA site, in this case 120 TP’s.



GGLwannabe Aug 25, 2018 10:12 am

If you fly with MH on a normal discounted revenue fare it will be booked in Z class, which will indeed earn avios and tier points; however on the INCEU60 AMS-BKK fares all of the non-BA operated sectors are booked in I class, which on Malaysian is not tier point or avios earning.

nufnuf77 Aug 28, 2018 7:09 am


Originally Posted by GGLwannabe (Post 30128434)
If you fly with MH on a normal discounted revenue fare it will be booked in Z class, which will indeed earn avios and tier points; however on the INCEU60 AMS-BKK fares all of the non-BA operated sectors are booked in I class, which on Malaysian is not tier point or avios earning.

Exaclty, thank you for explaining this to the others potentially booking the fare

voetsektx Aug 30, 2018 7:58 pm

I know this is a newbie question, but is the only way to book this to call BA or can it be done online? I saw a previus post about 'british airways holidays' but I couldn't seem to price it using their site. Appreciate the feedback.

palmanfr Aug 31, 2018 12:29 am


Originally Posted by voetsektx (Post 30150405)
I know this is a newbie question, but is the only way to book this to call BA or can it be done online? I saw a previus post about 'british airways holidays' but I couldn't seem to price it using their site. Appreciate the feedback.

I would recommend you to call BA and give them all the flight numbers and dates you want to have in the booking. ITA Matrix is the best tool to do this homework. I did that and it took overall 15 min no more, including code shares on RJ and CX. The price the agent came up with was a few Euros below what Matrix predicted and the ticket was issued immediately.

GGLwannabe Aug 31, 2018 12:43 am


Originally Posted by voetsektx (Post 30150405)
I know this is a newbie question, but is the only way to book this to call BA or can it be done online? I saw a previus post about 'british airways holidays' but I couldn't seem to price it using their site. Appreciate the feedback.

As far as I know there is no way to book this fare online. Your choices are to call BA or use an online travel agent. The latter has the advantage that if you are using a GUF to upgrade from business class to first class, the OTA can book the upgraded sectors into revenue class, whereas BA can only book into reward class, so there should be a much greater range of dates available when upgrading will be possible. I have no idea why OTAs can do this and BA themselves can't!

palmanfr Aug 31, 2018 4:46 am


Originally Posted by GGLwannabe (Post 30150880)
As far as I know there is no way to book this fare online. Your choices are to call BA or use an online travel agent. The latter has the advantage that if you are using a GUF to upgrade from business class to first class, the OTA can book the upgraded sectors into revenue class, whereas BA can only book into reward class, so there should be a much greater range of dates available when upgrading will be possible. I have no idea why OTAs can do this and BA themselves can't!

I never had a GUF (yet), but I thought this possibility was only when using "brick and mortar" travel agents, not online travel agents... Which one do you use ?

GGLwannabe Aug 31, 2018 6:17 am


Originally Posted by palmanfr (Post 30151295)
I never had a GUF (yet), but I thought this possibility was only when using "brick and mortar" travel agents, not online travel agents... Which one do you use ?

I haven't needed to use an OTA for GUFs yet, as I generally have sufficient GGL redemptions available. I probably will need to use an OTA next time around as I've exhausted my GUFs until my year clicks over in January, and Qatar isn't offering any decent fares to Asia ex-Europe. If so my first port of call would be Propeller Travel


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