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Old Apr 30, 2016, 12:36 pm
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OCTOBER 2016 UPDATE

LAX-JFK TRANSCONTINENTAL FLIGHTS:
Recent fare rule inclusions, effective October 2016, now prevent any routing via JFK on the non-stop transcontinental A321T aircraft. Any future booking will demand a significantly higher fare to route on the non-stops via JFK. Unless the fare rules are modified and these clauses are removed (highly doubtful), the ability to fly on the transcons via JFK is a thing of the past.
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN LAX AND NYC
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
BUT NOT ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A321 (SHARKLETS) AIRCRAFT.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN SFO AND NYC
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
BUT NOT ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A321 (SHARKLETS) AIRCRAFT.

1. Same day turns possible on the E-jets and morning 738s.

2. Bonuses now based on fare paid.

3. As of OCTOBER 2016, best fares are now around $1000. Fare tends to rise a few hundred for 2 pax. Fares can also occasionally rise for no discernible reason, but the price spikes have thus far proven to be temporary. Fares have the trend to drop during the year. Keep checking for fares in the $700-$800 ranges for best possible pricing.

4. Airport hotels with shuttles - Crowne Plaza Panama Airport & Riande Aeropuerto. The CP is slightly closer; the Riande is slightly nicer. The CP shuttle leaves the hotel every :00 and :30 and runs 24 hours but they seem to leave a few minutes early as it had left when I went down at 4:00AM on the dot. Also, note UberX charges a US$14 surcharge on top of the ~US$2 fare. CP has poor sound isolation, I could hear my neighbors on both sides including talking, crying baby etc. Had to wear earplugs to sleep.

5. Lounges:

Please refer to this thread for more detailed and accurate information on lounge access in general: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1656378-help-desk-will-i-have-lounge-access-access-rules-2016-a.html
LAX AIRPORT

= When trying to gain oneworld J / QF F access based on status, it is simply departing/connecting/arriving at any point on same ticket to and from an eligible international destination. PTY is eligible and not excluded regardless of length.

= When trying to gain oneworld J / QF F access based on class of service disregarding status, it is the international long haul clause that applies. Therefore, no "oneworld/QF lounge" access for non-elites for trips to and from PTY unless booking transcons since PTY is under 5 hours. BUT AA doesn't enforce this in their own lounges so Admirals Club access is expected.


AA GOLDs(RUBYs)/NON-ELITES
Admirals Club access is granted regardless of routing as AA does not enforce international long haul rule. However, the oneworld J lounge does for Golds(rubys)/non-elites as they are aware the PTY flights are under 5 hours. Booking transcon flights in J/F gains access to the OWJ/QFF lounges.
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J lounge + QF F Lounge LAX>
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in J = Admirals + LAX oneworld J lounge>
<Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Technically NONE (PTY under 5 hours therefore class of service rule applies) BUT AA still opens Admirals Club doors to all customers because they dont enforce the long-haul rule>

AA PLATINUMs
Platinums gain access to all AC/Business lounges regardless of routing due to flying to and from PTY. They gain access to First/Flagship lounges when traveling in F 3-class transcon
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J lounge + QF F Lounge LAX>
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in J = Admirals + LAX oneworld J lounge>
<Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + LAX oneworld J>

AA EXPs
EXPs have access to all lounges at all airports regardless of routing so long as they are traveling to and from PTY on the same itinerary (an international destination neither excluded from AA's list of ineligible regions nor limited by the flight length rule)
<EXPs Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in Y = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in J = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>

NON-AA ONEWORLD ELITES
All sapphires and emeralds have some form of lounge access on any flight systemwide
<non-AA sapphires on ALL AA FLIGHTS = Admirals Club + oneworld J lounge LAX>
<non-AA emeralds on ALL AA FLIGHTS = Admirals Club + oneworld J lounge LAX + Flagship Lounge + QF F lounge LAX>



OTHER AIRPORTS

SFO - Admiral's Club (Centurion Lounge for a fee)
JFK - Admirals Club & Flagship Lounge for EXP/First 3-class/Emerald
MIA - Admiral's Club (Centurion Lounge for a fee), Oneworld Premium Lounge for EXP/First 3-Class/Emerald
PTY - No lounge access (Copa with PP, or for a fee, for 7am or later flights)
YVR - No lounge access (PP for a fee)
DFW - Admiral's Club (with F/C Dining for EXP/Emerald) (Centurion Lounge for a fee)


6. PTY Customs:
Inbound to PTY -
  • 12 noon - no lines reported
  • 8PM Fri (5/27/16) - ~10 min line

Outbound to MIA -
  • 4:40am - no lines reported
7. Finding flights:

NOTE: LAX-JFK NO LONGER VALID FOR LOWEST FARES (effective OCT 2016)

If you want the transcon bonus, enter the search with a connection in JFK. (e.g. LAX-JFK,JFK-MIA,MIA-PTY,PTY-JFK,JFK-SFO.) You can play around from there to get the best deal. Some of the better deals do not start and end in the same city (e.g. start in LAX, end in SFO may be cheaper than start/end in LAX).

Also, it's possible on the outbound portion to time it so you have no more than a 60-minute layover at JFK or MIA (though note that some of these flights aren't available on weekends). While yes, JFK is notorious for delays, this rarely applies for inbound red-eye flights. Also, note that AA 28 below is sometimes "hidden" if you're looking on Google Flights inside a much more expensive trip; that does not necessarily mean, however, that you can't get it for one of the trips under $1,000 (in other words, try it out to see).

NOTE: LAX-JFK NO LONGER VALID FOR LOWEST FARES (effective OCT 2016)

Below is the shortest-possible outbound itinerary that has the LAX-JFK transcon on AA's A321T with flat-bed seats:

LAX-JFK on AA 28
10:45pm - 7:22am

JFK-MIA on AA 200
8:15am - 11:24am
(Note: AA has now switched all of the metal it used on this leg - on all JFK-MIA nonstops - to 757s instead of the 767s with international-style F & J seating.)***767 and 772 are back. Flight 200 is a 772**

MIA-PTY on AA 4434
12:33pm - 2:48pm
(Note: Even more distressingly, AA switched from using a 737 on this leg to an RJ, presumably because summer is off-peak season in Central America. The 6:05pm flight still uses a 737 if a full-size aircraft is a must.)
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Old Jul 17, 2016, 5:40 am
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Sitting in 3F. After doing PTY AND UIO BOTH I'd go with UIO
It's a slightly higher fare and booked into A for me so the higher bonus. Slightly better airport experience a place I don't mind staying over night and a day or two. PTY I'd rather do a same day turn.
Lots of runners on this weekends trip. I have one more next weekend to finish out EP.
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Old Jul 17, 2016, 8:12 am
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Originally Posted by grbauctions
I'll look for you. I have the jack Russell
I saw you and your Jack Russell walk past me on JFK-MIA Cute.

About to leave Le Meridien for PTY now. I am on AA 981 in 4F.

Have to say, Panama City is GREAT. They treat you right here.

Would love to come back for an actual vacation.
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Old Jul 17, 2016, 11:29 am
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Originally Posted by Cheynewalk
I saw you and your Jack Russell walk past me on JFK-MIA Cute.

About to leave Le Meridien for PTY now. I am on AA 981 in 4F.

Have to say, Panama City is GREAT. They treat you right here.

Would love to come back for an actual vacation.
I booked in oct to come back to a small mini vacation with a return tru DFW so can ride the 789 🤗
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Old Jul 17, 2016, 4:23 pm
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For those that have done multiple runs and are close to hitting EP for the year, I'm curious what your travel breakdown is in terms of business, pleasure, and mileage runs (even if you LOVE mileage runs, I'm not considering that "pleasure" for this exercise). For those where the majority of the flying is mileage runs, is it for the love of the game or something else? Or were you < EP and this gets to that level quickly to enjoy the benefits?

I can see the benefits if you fly a fair bit for business (or pleasure) but perhaps not enough straight up for EP status. So a MR or two or three puts you over and increases upgrade rate. That has been true for me.

Last year I did about 40% business, 40% pleasure, 10% MR (a single run to SJU), and 10% Citi credit card bonus and barely nudged past 100k. This year it's more like 30% business, 30% pleasure, 35% MR (3 PTY runs, 1 789 round trip for fun, and a few weird routings to increase EQM), and 5% Citi card, but am on track with booked travel to hit 150k. So the MRs in some way were unnecessary but I'll still appreciate the extra 2 SWUs. Now trying to figure out how to easily add another 44k to get the next two SWUs, which I find amusing because a few years ago 44k took me all year and then some to lock down!
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Old Jul 17, 2016, 7:53 pm
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Call me crazy, but I am at 95% MR / 5% leisure. I have been reading this thread and others since last fall and have been absolutely fascinated by the idea of MRs. I have never flown more than 10-15K miles in a year or had any kind of status or lounge access, but always thought it would be fun. I finally took the plunge to PTY and absolutely loved it. I have spent four weekends since June in airports and it has been absolute vacation to me.

To your question, it is absolutely for the love of the game. In addition, I have had the intention to travel a lot more in the immediate future so I knew that the EXP/Emerald would make that a lot more enjoyable.
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Old Jul 17, 2016, 8:09 pm
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Originally Posted by josua
Call me crazy, but I am at 95% MR / 5% leisure. I have been reading this thread and others since last fall and have been absolutely fascinated by the idea of MRs. I have never flown more than 10-15K miles in a year or had any kind of status or lounge access, but always thought it would be fun. I finally took the plunge to PTY and absolutely loved it. I have spent four weekends since June in airports and it has been absolute vacation to me.

To your question, it is absolutely for the love of the game. In addition, I have had the intention to travel a lot more in the immediate future so I knew that the EXP/Emerald would make that a lot more enjoyable.
That's the spirit! You can make mini vacations out of MRs. Doing immediate turns are a little crazy though.
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Old Jul 17, 2016, 9:35 pm
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An immediate turn in PTY, and then spending the night in Miami is my strategy. Easier on the body.
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Old Jul 17, 2016, 10:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Smiley90
what's the best way to get this to go above 25k EQM from YVR?

I can easily route YVR-PHX-LAX-JFK-MIA-PTY-MIA-WAS-PHX-YVR but it's just 11.5k... some dates I can do the return PTY-DFW-WAS-PHX-YVR if I do an overnight in WAS and then it's >12.5k BIS miles but I'm not sure I wanna do that overnight. Any routing ideas without making the price explode?
I don't think you're going to find a 25k+ EQM routing before 8/1 at a decent price.

Also, even doing YVR-PHX-LAX-JFK-MIA-PTY-MIA-JFK-LAX-YVR will only get you 24490EQM after the 2x Bonus for J fare.
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Old Jul 17, 2016, 10:09 pm
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Originally Posted by jcatman
An immediate turn in PTY, and then spending the night in Miami is my strategy. Easier on the body.
I did YVR-PHX-LAX-JFK-MIA-PTY-MIA-JFK-LAX-YVR with immediate turn in PTY. Very easy turn. Then was schedule to get back to JFK at 1AM but was delayed until 2AM on the MIA-JFK flight. killed 2 hours then got in to FL for a shower and breakfast before 6AM flight to LAX and then 9:50 flight to YVR.

Overall, pretty decent MR for 24490 EQM. Also got 25k RDM comp for IFE being INOP on the LAX-JFK and then 1 hour delay out of MIA.
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Old Jul 18, 2016, 1:18 am
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I've got a few more flights in my runs so will be doing my overnights at PTY or PHL.
Think I've got 3 overnights lined up for PTY and a 2 night stay so that I can see the canal.
Throwing in one overnight at MCO as well. Flight arrives at 11:02pm and next one departs at 5:15am so I'll sit around the airport rather than get a hotel.
Planning on using MIA and LAX for showers and will check to see where else has shower facilities if need be.

Already had a load of flight changes including my 3hr JFK stopover after an overnight flight that would have got me a shower and breakfast in the FL. Now routing via DCA so I'll have to wait until MIA.
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Old Jul 18, 2016, 5:42 am
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Originally Posted by mikelat
I did YVR-PHX-LAX-JFK-MIA-PTY-MIA-JFK-LAX-YVR with immediate turn in PTY. Very easy turn. Then was schedule to get back to JFK at 1AM but was delayed until 2AM on the MIA-JFK flight. killed 2 hours then got in to FL for a shower and breakfast before 6AM flight to LAX and then 9:50 flight to YVR.

Overall, pretty decent MR for 24490 EQM. Also got 25k RDM comp for IFE being INOP on the LAX-JFK and then 1 hour delay out of MIA.
Looks as though you had a great MR run. Congrats.
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Old Jul 18, 2016, 6:49 am
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I am in Vancouver now between my 2 runs. Something come up and I need to stay in Vancouver for a few extra days. Anyone has any experience changing the ticket? What's the normal change fee (website says up to $450 for international ticket). I also have a separate ticket for LAX to MIA at the end of the run to get back home to Florida (double whammy)! Since I can't do it online, I wonder what the agent will think of my crazy routing and same day turn in PTY.
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Old Jul 18, 2016, 7:30 am
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Boo...late flight in from JFK this morning means that I have to gate check my bag MIA-PTY. Boarding has been changed from T-30 to T-45, so the plane was fully boarded 10 min early.

They closed the door and were ready to push but now there is a mechanical issue so they have delayed 2 hours and deboarded the plane.

Given the tight turn, I just canceled MIA-PTY-MIA using plat line and am going to return to YVR from MIA using my original routing tomorrow. The plat line guy submitted a "Trip in Vain" request so we will see what, if anything AA actually refunds.

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Old Jul 18, 2016, 9:15 am
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Originally Posted by stockboy85
Boo...late flight in from JFK this morning means that I have to gate check my bag MIA-PTY. Boarding has been changed from T-30 to T-45, so the plane was fully boarded 10 min early.

They closed the door and were ready to push when they decided there was a mechanical issue. Now we are delayed at least 2 hours (they de-boarded the entire plane).

I was on the last flight out of PTY today so if I miss it, then I'm stuck in PTY tonight with potentially no way to get back to YVR by tomorrow for my next run (am on a back to back).
Sounds like a golden opportunity to me.
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Old Jul 18, 2016, 9:19 am
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Originally Posted by XLR26
Sounds like a golden opportunity to me.
Just un-gate checked my bag, canceled MIA-PTY-MIA and am headed back to YVR tomorrow using my original routing (MIA-PHL-PHX-YVR). Plat line submitted a "Trip in Vain". Not sure what, if anything they are going to credit back.
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