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Note: There is a known miscoding on ITA and elsewhere, where fares on EI (Aer Lingus) are showing as being in first class. This is not correct, as Aer Lingus does not offer first class. If you see this fare, please ignore it and do not post it here as it is completely unbookable in every sense of the term. The mods are summarily deleting these posts in order to unclutter the thread.

Note: There is a known miscoding on ITA and elsewhere, where Z fares on EY (Etihad) are showing as being in first class. This is not correct, as Z fares are discount business on EY. These fares will not receive chaffeur service. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/etihad-airways-etihad-guest/1622229-removal-chauffeur-service-some-business-class-passengers.html

List of known, active deals:

JNB-DXB-SFO in EK F, $4k-ish one-way
MLE-HKG-US (various) in C, $1400 +/- available only on CX's website.
CMB-MIA, other US cities, for about $4400 in F, round-trip/return

BA AARP $400 discount for J/F bookings is now valid again for booking until 31 Oct 2014 but departure to EOS seems to get the discount. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/british-airways-executive-club/1435816-ba-fare-discounts-aarp-4.html

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Oct 21, 2014, 3:06 pm

#3241

Air Rarotonga

Join Date: Mar 2009

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Posts: 3,666

Quote:

Originally Posted by irishguy28

Hmmm....perhaps there are no tier miles on EY-operated flights after all....

There is also the question - will an A3-coded, EY-operated flight count as one of the 4 necessary OA/A3 segments? I think it will, but we don't know yet. Still, for those going for Gold requalification, there is almost 3 full months at least to acquire that extra sector if it is required. But we should know long before taking these flights what the exact requirements are - the new programme launches Nov 24.

There was a report that a A3 codeshare flight ops by EY did not earn any mile on M&B... *A operating carrier rule seems to be valid here too...

Oct 21, 2014, 3:11 pm

#3242

RobertH

Join Date: Oct 1999

Posts: 1,052

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yahtzee

There's an odd little fare out there for travel in Upper Class between BOS and AMS on Virgin (with BA or KLM tacked on) for $2,000. Appears to be bookable on orbitz.

Thanks! I bit. The wife and I are going next June. $2013 each from BOS to AMS via LHR in Upper/Business Class. BOS to LHR on Virgin Atlantic, LHR to AMS on British Airways. It will be interesting to see how many miles we get on Delta for the Virgin Atlantic flights (Z Class). Booked on Orbitz, could not book on Delta, didn't try Virgin or British Airways websites.

Last edited by RobertH; Oct 21, 2014 at 3:17 pm

Oct 21, 2014, 3:23 pm

#3243

onfo

Join Date: Oct 2007

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Posts: 840

J Class MXP-JNB-MXP ~$1080 on SV

I don't think I've seen this posted, but the fare (J Class MXP-JNB-MXP ~$1080 on SV) is on http://www.secretflying.com/2014/10/...th-africa-671/.

Hope someone can use it!

Oct 21, 2014, 3:35 pm

#3244

fgirard

Join Date: Apr 2009

Location: SoCal (ONT), PVD/BOS, JAX, RSW

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Posts: 3,189

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1k650

The fares were pulled yesterday.

Try Skyteam for SJC-BCN <$2200. Can route via LAX for Alitalia lie-flat, with great Italian wines.

And for a few $s more, you can route via AMS on the KL 744 (which sometimes is the Combi). However, the routing via AMS is tricky as some available itineraries are showing Transavia for AMS-BCN.

Oct 21, 2014, 3:52 pm

#3245

skunker

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mikelat

Think it was in reference to cost. $1741 for one-way posted vs $3780 for round trip.

Right, but the routing I posted is 40% further than the one he posted and includes two legs in F on QR.

The choice is simple: a direct routing for ~$3k roundtrip or a much longer routing for $3780. Longer routings are almost always more money.

Oct 21, 2014, 4:42 pm

#3246

EKinBigD

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This is WAY better if you wanted a RT from CAI to EZE.

$2,534 (13.25 cpm) or so vs. the $3,780 (14.23 cpm) or so you posted. Still the 2 F's as well. Not worth an extra 49.17% - $1,246 or so - for the few extra 7,454 miles (16.72 cpm for the incremental amount of miles):

Depart
Wed, Oct 29 CAI to EZE – 2 stops 31h 05m

This flight leaves on Wednesday (Oct 29) and arrives on Thursday (Oct 30).

Qatar Airways – Flight 1302 3h 00m
Take-off Wed 6:40p CAI Cairo, Egypt
Landing Wed 10:40p DOH Doha, Qatar
1st | Fare code: CRTEG | Boeing 777-300ER (Wide-body Jet) | 3h 00m | 1 seat remains
Change planes

DOH Doha, Qatar

9h 10m
Qatar Airways – Flight 771 14h 45m
Take-off Thu 7:50a DOH Doha, Qatar
Landing Thu 5:35p GRU São Paulo, Brazil
Biz | Fare code: CRTEG | Boeing 777-200LR (Wide-body Jet) | 14h 45m | 1 seat remains
Same plane

GRU São Paulo, Brazil

1h 15m
Qatar Airways – Flight 771 2h 55m
Take-off Thu 6:50p GRU São Paulo, Brazil
Landing Thu 8:45p EZE Buenos Aires, Argentina
Biz | Boeing 777-200LR (Wide-body Jet) | 2h 55m
Return
Wed, Nov 19 EZE to CAI – 2 stops 31h 40m

This flight leaves on Wednesday (Nov 19) and arrives on Friday (Nov 21).

Qatar Airways – Flight 772 2h 40m
Take-off Wed 11:20p EZE Buenos Aires, Argentina
Landing Thu 3:00a GRU São Paulo, Brazil
Biz | Fare code: IPROMO | Boeing 777-200LR (Wide-body Jet) | 2h 40m | 7 seats remain
Same plane

GRU São Paulo, Brazil

1h 15m
Qatar Airways – Flight 772 13h 30m
Take-off Thu 4:15a GRU São Paulo, Brazil
Landing Thu 10:45p DOH Doha, Qatar
Biz | Boeing 777-200LR (Wide-body Jet) | 13h 30m
Change planes

DOH Doha, Qatar

10h 30m
Qatar Airways – Flight 1303 3h 45m
Take-off Fri 9:15a DOH Doha, Qatar
Landing Fri 12:00p CAI Cairo, Egypt
1st | Fare code: IPROMO | Boeing 777-300ER (Wide-body Jet) | 3h 45m | 8 seats remain

The 1way I posted was with repositioning and EQP's (to satisfy the Plat Chlng) in mind. Thanks for trying to show me up again tho (emphasis on TRYING)

Last edited by EKinBigD; Oct 21, 2014 at 5:07 pm

Oct 21, 2014, 10:27 pm

#3247

Markie

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CAI-BKK $1027 incl taxes
Sample dates:
OUT: 28 May
BACK: 1 June
Book by 7 November, travel to 15 June.

All in QR First to Doha, then Business Class, but the BKK-DOH and return legs can be on the A380.

(400 BA Tier Points)

Oct 21, 2014, 10:35 pm

#3248

fgirard

Join Date: Apr 2009

Location: SoCal (ONT), PVD/BOS, JAX, RSW

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So, alitalia.com was the only outlet for LAX-FCO-BCN, while delta.com was able to do LAX-AMS-BCN-CDG-MSP-LAX as well as SNA-SLC-CDG-BCN-CDG-MSP-LAX.... and while the AZ fare was $2133 a/i, the DL options were $2137.

And, for those chasing FlyingBlue status, it should earn ~19,200 level miles.

Oct 21, 2014, 10:59 pm

#3249

PV_Premier

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fgirard

SNA-SLC-CDG-BCN-CDG-MSP-LAX

nice.

$2099 SMF-SLC-CDG-BCN-JFK-SLC-SMF, in November

hope these fares remain consistently available given all of my work travel to Spain...

also interesting is SMF-PDX-AMS-ALC-AMS-MSP-SMF for ~$2200. AMS-ALC is on Transavia...books on KLM website...

Oct 21, 2014, 11:33 pm

#3250

1k650

Join Date: May 2003

Programs: UA1k; Bonvoy Titanium; Hilton Gold; IHG Gold; AA Plat Pro

Posts: 1,794

Quote:

Originally Posted by TinDrum

Sorry, I beg to differ with the privacylawyer ... IMO, Alitalia is much better for the soft product. Far better food and drink, better lounges at FCO/MXP.

KLM's new J seats are nice, but still a little cramped, I find. Of course KL has the nice Delft ceramic gift on all long haul flights.

Overall, given a choice, I would fly AZ business any day.

Exactly - I have flown exactly once on each, and I though AZ was much better. I can buy Delft "gifts" for a few dollars, so that is not important for me. The wines in AZ were fantastic !

Oct 21, 2014, 11:39 pm

#3251

fgirard

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PV_Premier

Quote:

Originally Posted by fgirard

SNA-SLC-CDG-BCN-CDG-MSP-LAX

Also AGP is still available. The itinerary that I got was for June-July, so the fares are good for various times.

Now, I need to decide about whether to fly Vueling, EasyJet or drive the BCN-NCE.

Oct 22, 2014, 12:10 am

#3252

su9062

Join Date: Feb 2014

Posts: 314

Quote:

Originally Posted by fgirard

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 8_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/600.1.4 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/8.0 Mobile/12B411 Safari/600.1.4)

Also AGP is still available. The itinerary that I got was for June-July, so the fares are good for various times.

Now, I need to decide about whether to fly Vueling, EasyJet or drive the BCN-NCE.

i would use hertz transfer desk and drive.

Oct 22, 2014, 1:41 am

#3253

IAN-UK

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Markie

CAI-BKK $1027 incl taxes
..

All in QR First to Doha, then Business Class, but the BKK-DOH and return legs can be on the A380.

It's a fine fare, just don't to get too excited about the QR First bit!

The short flight between Cairo and Doha is QR's regional first the business-class cabin of a two-class service.

It will earn some extra miles/TPs, but sadly it won't get you into a QR F cabin, won't make Cairo's T1 any nicer and you won't get access to QR's F-class lounge on the way to BKK.

Oct 22, 2014, 8:05 am

#3254

dcjono

Join Date: Aug 2003

Location: ATL

Programs: DL Diamond

Posts: 92

After lurking in here for a couple months, I want to thank everyone for posting these deals. Very, very helpful.
I put together a trip yesterday on DL November 25-Dec 1.
LAX-SEA-CDG-BCN, return BCN-JFK-ATL in biz for $2200.
Also happy to have found a ow to get me to LAX from MSY (which is my starting point for this particular trip) MSY-ATL-LAX for $330 in first. The interesting routing gets me to Gold Medallion.
Not a bad day at all - thanks y'all.

Oct 22, 2014, 10:43 am

#3255

titzech

Join Date: Nov 2013

Posts: 54

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Air France is having pretty good fares ex-usa to Europe up to 70% off

http://www.airfrance.us/US/en/local/resainfovol/meilleuresoffres/marketing_business_holidays.htm?WT.tsrc=email&WT.m c_id=G_US_email_edatis_726069