Jan 4, 2014, 10:43 pm
Last edit by: skunker
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Note: There is a known miscoding on ITA and elsewhere, where fares on EI (Aer Lingus) are showing as being in first class. This is not correct, as Aer Lingus does not offer first class. If you see this fare, please ignore it and do not post it here as it is completely unbookable in every sense of the term. The mods are summarily deleting these posts in order to unclutter the thread.
Note: There is a known miscoding on ITA and elsewhere, where Z fares on EY (Etihad) are showing as being in first class. This is not correct, as Z fares are discount business on EY. These fares will not receive chaffeur service. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/etihad-airways-etihad-guest/1622229-removal-chauffeur-service-some-business-class-passengers.html
List of known, active deals:
JNB-DXB-SFO in EK F, $4k-ish one-way
MLE-HKG-US (various) in C, $1400 +/- available only on CX's website.
CMB-MIA, other US cities, for about $4400 in F, round-trip/return
BA AARP $400 discount for J/F bookings is now valid again for booking until 31 Oct 2014 but departure to EOS seems to get the discount. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/british-airways-executive-club/1435816-ba-fare-discounts-aarp-4.html
Good Deal Premium Fares 2014
Aug 26, 2014, 10:07 am
#2401
Join Date: May 2006
Location: SAN
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For some reason the mods deleted my post. You CAN get the 77W if you route through HKG. Total cost is just under $3,900.
You can pick any airport in NYC. Its slightly cheaper if you take OZ or KE to/from HKG
Seoul (ICN) to Newark (EWR) - Mon, Nov 3
Seoul (ICN) to Hong Kong (HKG) - Mon, Nov 3
Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd. 415 Dep: 8:50AM Arr: 11:45AM 3h 55m Airbus A330 Business (J)
Layover in HKG 1h 55m
Hong Kong (HKG) to Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) - Mon, Nov 3
American Airlines Inc. 138 Dep: 1:40PM Arr: 2:35PM 14h 55m Boeing 777 First (P)
Layover in DFW 1h 35m
Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) to Newark (EWR) - Mon, Nov 3
American Airlines Inc. 2379 Dep: 4:10PM Arr: 8:29PM 3h 19m MD-80 First (P)
New York (LGA) to Seoul (ICN) - Thu, Nov 13
New York (LGA) to Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) - Thu, Nov 13
American Airlines Inc. 1103 Dep: 6:00AM Arr: 9:05AM 4h 5m Boeing 737 First (P)
Layover in DFW 2h 25m
Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) to Hong Kong (HKG) - Thu, Nov 13
American Airlines Inc. 137 Dep: 11:30AM Arr: 6:35PM 17h 5m Boeing 777 First (P)
Layover in HKG Fri, Nov 14 6h 20m
Hong Kong (HKG) to Seoul (ICN) - Sat, Nov 15
Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd. 412 Dep: 12:55AM Arr: 5:20AM 3h 25m Airbus A330 Business (J)
Cost per passenger (including taxes & fees) $3,899.60
Total cost for 1 passenger $3,899.60
Seoul (ICN) to Hong Kong (HKG) - Mon, Nov 3
Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd. 415 Dep: 8:50AM Arr: 11:45AM 3h 55m Airbus A330 Business (J)
Layover in HKG 1h 55m
Hong Kong (HKG) to Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) - Mon, Nov 3
American Airlines Inc. 138 Dep: 1:40PM Arr: 2:35PM 14h 55m Boeing 777 First (P)
Layover in DFW 1h 35m
Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) to Newark (EWR) - Mon, Nov 3
American Airlines Inc. 2379 Dep: 4:10PM Arr: 8:29PM 3h 19m MD-80 First (P)
New York (LGA) to Seoul (ICN) - Thu, Nov 13
New York (LGA) to Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) - Thu, Nov 13
American Airlines Inc. 1103 Dep: 6:00AM Arr: 9:05AM 4h 5m Boeing 737 First (P)
Layover in DFW 2h 25m
Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) to Hong Kong (HKG) - Thu, Nov 13
American Airlines Inc. 137 Dep: 11:30AM Arr: 6:35PM 17h 5m Boeing 777 First (P)
Layover in HKG Fri, Nov 14 6h 20m
Hong Kong (HKG) to Seoul (ICN) - Sat, Nov 15
Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd. 412 Dep: 12:55AM Arr: 5:20AM 3h 25m Airbus A330 Business (J)
Cost per passenger (including taxes & fees) $3,899.60
Total cost for 1 passenger $3,899.60
Aug 26, 2014, 10:12 am
#2402
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: LAX
Programs: AA Gold (prev. Ex Plat for 10 years); DL Plat; UA Gold; Hilton Diamond
Posts: 2,339
True, but according to the fare rules it might be possible to route via HKG onto KA/CX/KE/OZ which would get you a nice long ride in the 777-300ER, and a nice connection in HKG. Just have to watch the MPM on the routing to avoid exceeding the limit.
Aug 26, 2014, 10:14 am
#2403
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: NYC
Programs: AS MVP Gold, BA Silver, AA Gold, Marriott Titanium, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 1,619
American Airlines year around First class deal from Seoul to New York.
SEL-NYC R/T
Flight application:
Transfer: following rules apply in each direction[INDENT]Either
MPM : 8.254 miles
Routing: e.g.
SEL-NYC R/T
Flight application:
- Flight over Pacific must be AA flight number and AA opererated fligtht.
- Flight within North America must have AA flight number.
Transfer: following rules apply in each direction[INDENT]Either
- 1 transfer with AA or JL/KE/OZ in Japan
- 1 transfer with AA or CA/CI/CZ/HU/KE/MU/OZ in China
- 1 transfer with AA or CX/KA/KE/OZ in Hong Kong
MPM : 8.254 miles
Routing: e.g.
- Seoul-(AA)-Dallas-(AA)-New York
- Seoul-(JL/KE/OZ:AA)-Tokyo-(AA)-Chicago/Dallas/Los Angeles-(AA)-New York
- Seoul-(KE/OZ/MU/CZ)-Shanghai-(AA)-Chicago-(AA)-New York
1. I see the transfer rules vis a vis Hong Kong, but can't locate any routing via Hong Kong using the required AA metal that can be achieved under the 8,254 mileage cap.
2. I see the stopover rules (one free and one for 98,000 KRW) but also the HIP/Mileage Exceptions rule ("NO HIP OR MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS APPLY") and therefore can't see where in Asia a stopover might be permitted. Are stopovers effectively limited to a few east coast U.S. cities?
3. I don't see in the fare rules where the OP found the routing via Los Angeles, and also can't locate any routing via LAX using the required AA metal that can be achieved under the 8,254 mileage cap.
TIA for help with any (or all) of these questions.
Aug 26, 2014, 10:44 am
#2404
Join Date: May 2006
Location: SAN
Programs: Lots of faux metal
Posts: 6,425
There are three aspects of this fare that I require help with:
1. I see the transfer rules vis a vis Hong Kong, but can't locate any routing via Hong Kong using the required AA metal that can be achieved under the 8,254 mileage cap.
2. I see the stopover rules (one free and one for 98,000 KRW) but also the HIP/Mileage Exceptions rule ("NO HIP OR MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS APPLY") and therefore can't see where in Asia a stopover might be permitted. Are stopovers effectively limited to a few east coast U.S. cities?
3. I don't see in the fare rules where the OP found the routing via Los Angeles, and also can't locate any routing via LAX using the required AA metal that can be achieved under the 8,254 mileage cap.
TIA for help with any (or all) of these questions.
1. I see the transfer rules vis a vis Hong Kong, but can't locate any routing via Hong Kong using the required AA metal that can be achieved under the 8,254 mileage cap.
2. I see the stopover rules (one free and one for 98,000 KRW) but also the HIP/Mileage Exceptions rule ("NO HIP OR MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS APPLY") and therefore can't see where in Asia a stopover might be permitted. Are stopovers effectively limited to a few east coast U.S. cities?
3. I don't see in the fare rules where the OP found the routing via Los Angeles, and also can't locate any routing via LAX using the required AA metal that can be achieved under the 8,254 mileage cap.
TIA for help with any (or all) of these questions.
The MPM is not a hard cap. The hard cap is 125% of the MPM plus any point deductions. The fare increases as you go above the MPM though.
Aug 26, 2014, 11:56 am
#2405
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Boston, MA
Programs: AA Million Miler, Mosaic, Delta Platinum
Posts: 1,561
Pretty attractive year-end (post-Christmas) fares in F on Air France, LH and LX from JFK/EWR to LHR/LCY -- $4200 or basically 50% off earlier in December or in January. Need to do multiple segment searching on AF to book. Round out 2014 qualifying and get an early start on 2015 if you straddle 1/1.
Aug 26, 2014, 8:01 pm
#2406
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: IAD, Virginia
Programs: UA Premium 1K, AA EXP, Starwood G, Hyatt D
Posts: 31
Is UA going to match this....., Anyone knows?
American Airlines year around First class deal from Seoul to New York.
There are two different fare basises but I use P2E0Q5R1 in this post.
Fare basis: P2E0Q5R1 (minimun stay 10 days, but no advance purchase requirement)
Fare basis: P2E9Q5O1 (no minimum stay requirement, but 90 days advance purchase requirement)
[First class] Seoul-New York R/T, American Airlines, 3.140 USD / 2.380 EUR incl. taxes
There are two different fare basises but I use P2E0Q5R1 in this post.
Fare basis: P2E0Q5R1 (minimun stay 10 days, but no advance purchase requirement)
Fare basis: P2E9Q5O1 (no minimum stay requirement, but 90 days advance purchase requirement)
[First class] Seoul-New York R/T, American Airlines, 3.140 USD / 2.380 EUR incl. taxes
Last edited by tcook052; Aug 27, 2014 at 5:49 am Reason: brevity
Aug 27, 2014, 4:21 am
#2408
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Sweden
Posts: 2,044
[First class] Seoul-New York T/R, United, 21.700 SEK inkl. skatter
In short:
Buy latest: 2014-AUG-31
Advance purchase: 90 days
No minimum stay requirement
Aug 27, 2014, 6:39 am
#2409
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: NY
Programs: AA: ExPlat & 3MM; UA: 1k; KL: Plat 4 Life; Hyatt: Plat; SPG, Marriott, Hilton: Gold
Posts: 2,708
Aug 27, 2014, 6:48 am
#2410
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Posts: 26,062
Aug 27, 2014, 7:17 am
#2411
Join Date: Nov 2006
Programs: DL Platinum
Posts: 556
Yes, more information can be found from this link.
[First class] Seoul-New York T/R, United, 21.700 SEK inkl. skatter
In short:
Buy latest: 2014-AUG-31
Advance purchase: 90 days
No minimum stay requirement
[First class] Seoul-New York T/R, United, 21.700 SEK inkl. skatter
In short:
Buy latest: 2014-AUG-31
Advance purchase: 90 days
No minimum stay requirement
And if you do and can tell me how to find that information, I will gladly find it myself in the future. Thanks.
Aug 27, 2014, 7:34 am
#2412
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Aug 27, 2014, 10:09 am
#2413
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Just booked a one-way GRU-BOG-IAH for ~$1,100 on AV/UA (it's an AV D fare - so only 100% PQM earnings on UA). Looks like roundtrip can be had for roughly double that. You can get the AV GRU-BOG segment on their A330, and depending on the time of year, BOG-IAH on an international-configured UA 752.
Aug 27, 2014, 6:14 pm
#2414
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: IAD, Virginia
Programs: UA Premium 1K, AA EXP, Starwood G, Hyatt D
Posts: 31
Great Information, Thanks.
Does UA allow a stop over in Shanghai or Tokyo...?
Does UA allow a stop over in Shanghai or Tokyo...?
Yes, more information can be found from this link.
[First class] Seoul-New York T/R, United, 21.700 SEK inkl. skatter
In short:
Buy latest: 2014-AUG-31
Advance purchase: 90 days
No minimum stay requirement
[First class] Seoul-New York T/R, United, 21.700 SEK inkl. skatter
In short:
Buy latest: 2014-AUG-31
Advance purchase: 90 days
No minimum stay requirement
Aug 27, 2014, 6:16 pm
#2415
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Just booked a one-way GRU-BOG-IAH for ~$1,100 on AV/UA (it's an AV D fare - so only 100% PQM earnings on UA). Looks like roundtrip can be had for roughly double that. You can get the AV GRU-BOG segment on their A330, and depending on the time of year, BOG-IAH on an international-configured UA 752.
