A Tale of Two Checkpoints
#16
Join Date: Sep 2008
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Strictly speaking, they were right the first time. Tapes, audio or video, are supposed to be x-rayed. There's actually language in the SOP that requires them to be x-rayed.
And, strictly speaking, if you refuse to have them x-rayed, your only option is to turn around and take them back with you.
The person in the first story likely agreed to your request for a hand check just to shut you up, and the person in the second likely didn't know any better.
And, strictly speaking, if you refuse to have them x-rayed, your only option is to turn around and take them back with you.
The person in the first story likely agreed to your request for a hand check just to shut you up, and the person in the second likely didn't know any better.
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#18
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Though it is not the TSO's fault, they are only working within the confines of what management lets them. My concern is with the people who write the rules. I know it is hard to make a set of rules that govern every condition, but the TSA has been at this for a few years now, I would hope they have made better progress than this.
#19
Join Date: Mar 2008
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Incredibly easy to inspect if using the clear plastic reels. VCR and cassette tapes, a bit harder, but still within the range of easy. Just wish that TSOs would think a bit before automatically saying no to a reasonable request. Given the age of digital, many younger TSOs have never even seen either a reel to reel tape or tape recorder.
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Probably the people at HQ who wrote the SOP are young, clueless, and idiots about technology prior to the PC era... It's not like they are going to be held accountable for destroying PTravel's property. I am very glad he stuck up for his rights.
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Heard of a couple MRI techs (one rather bright, the other rather dense and obnoxious) where the bright one bets the other $50 that the other couldn't throw his wallet through the MRI machine without hitting the sides. The bright one said it was worth the $50 knowing that the other had just wiped out all of his credit cards....
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#22
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During the Viet Nam War a guy in base supply got a request for some sheet film. He counted each and every sheet at his desk.
#23
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Some of you guys crack me up. How many times have you posted that TSA should follow the SOP and that consistency is key? But when its revealed that an officer was actually correctly following SOP, you jump all over him for not bending the rules.
Unfortunately, you can't have it both ways.
Unfortunately, you can't have it both ways.
#24
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Some of you guys crack me up. How many times have you posted that TSA should follow the SOP and that consistency is key? But when its revealed that an officer was actually correctly following SOP, you jump all over him for not bending the rules.
Unfortunately, you can't have it both ways.
Unfortunately, you can't have it both ways.
#25
Join Date: Nov 2008
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Some of you guys crack me up. How many times have you posted that TSA should follow the SOP and that consistency is key? But when its revealed that an officer was actually correctly following SOP, you jump all over him for not bending the rules.
Unfortunately, you can't have it both ways.
Unfortunately, you can't have it both ways.
Was it SOP for the TSOs in question to threaten to call a LEO, yet not call the LEO over when the OP requested it?
Was it SOP for the TSOs to raise their voice in interacting with the OP?
Was it SOP for the TSOs to blindly follow their interpretation of the SOP, without "Engage!"-ing their discretionary judgment?
#26
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Some of you guys crack me up. How many times have you posted that TSA should follow the SOP and that consistency is key? But when its revealed that an officer was actually correctly following SOP, you jump all over him for not bending the rules.
Unfortunately, you can't have it both ways.
Unfortunately, you can't have it both ways.
#27
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Could they? Should they? Do you really want TSOs making judgments on when to follow SOP, and when not to?
#28
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Some of you guys crack me up. How many times have you posted that TSA should follow the SOP and that consistency is key? But when its revealed that an officer was actually correctly following SOP, you jump all over him for not bending the rules.
Unfortunately, you can't have it both ways.
Unfortunately, you can't have it both ways.


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So, let me get this straight - this is a complaint about not being allowed to get your tapes hand-checked? Oh, no, wait - that got shot down pretty quickly. They were 100% within their rights to refuse that. Consistency is everything, remember? 
So - it must be about the TSO's attitude? Perhaps. Plenty of people would get riled up when some know-it-all starts preaching to them about how they know better and they should get special treatment. You just got somebody who reacted badly to this. I've been in the US for quite a while, and I see this happening in a variety of environments about... 10 times a day? How do you get anything done if you pursue each one of these and then document the encounter?
Sometimes you just need to move on. Or write a complaint letter. Then move on

So - it must be about the TSO's attitude? Perhaps. Plenty of people would get riled up when some know-it-all starts preaching to them about how they know better and they should get special treatment. You just got somebody who reacted badly to this. I've been in the US for quite a while, and I see this happening in a variety of environments about... 10 times a day? How do you get anything done if you pursue each one of these and then document the encounter?
Sometimes you just need to move on. Or write a complaint letter. Then move on

