Terrorist at the Gate
#46
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 116
I think this is just a new psychological tactic to get people with something to hide to reveal themselves. Personally, I've never had any problems with the TSA despite being a bearded Muslim male. They're always polite.
Customs, on the other hand...actually they're pretty good too. But only after 3 years, when my name was finally cleared off a list.
Customs, on the other hand...actually they're pretty good too. But only after 3 years, when my name was finally cleared off a list.
#47
Join Date: Sep 2006
Programs: Many Affiliations: AA ExPlat, AA MM Gold Lifetime+, Hilton Diamond and such
Posts: 132
#48
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Southern California
Posts: 898
I think this is just a new psychological tactic to get people with something to hide to reveal themselves. Personally, I've never had any problems with the TSA despite being a bearded Muslim male. They're always polite.
Customs, on the other hand...actually they're pretty good too. But only after 3 years, when my name was finally cleared off a list.
Customs, on the other hand...actually they're pretty good too. But only after 3 years, when my name was finally cleared off a list.
#50




Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Sydney (for now), GVA (only in my memories)
Programs: QF Lifetime Silver (big whoop)
Posts: 9,287

Edit: TSA's internal justification is likely to involve the words "job security."
#51
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Florida
Posts: 3,006
Of course they are polite to you, if they give you any hassle you can claim they profiled you.
#52
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Dublin
Posts: 4
I think I know why we are subjected to such security - my wife managed to fly to the US on a passport that was in fact cancelled in error by the UKPA a few years ago and now on leaving the US (every single time) we have the manual bag search, gate grope and explosives puffer.
I don't have any great issue with the searches except that they aren't random in any way. I worry that if anybody might be trying to smuggle something untoward aboard then all they need do is go through security as I do when attention will be diverted on a young(ish) white middle-class British couple with no aspirations to create airborne mayhem...
The one thing I will say is that the guys doing the searches tend to be fairly polite, unlike the cretins who check the documents on the way through... If America no longer wishes people to visit could they send an email or something (it's not you, it's me...) rather than try to irritate us into not travelling any more.
Having grown up during a fairly brutal and bitter terrorist campaign in a high-security environment in the UK and overseas I do have respect for the requirements to prevent problems (and lock the stable door long after the horse of course) but this just seems lazy and pointless and leaves a nagging doubt as to the likely efficacy of the measures in place.
#53
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Florida
Posts: 3,006
If you get SSSS every time you fly out of the US can you claim to be profiled? Is there any redress for non-US citizens?
I think I know why we are subjected to such security - my wife managed to fly to the US on a passport that was in fact cancelled in error by the UKPA a few years ago and now on leaving the US (every single time) we have the manual bag search, gate grope and explosives puffer.
I don't have any great issue with the searches except that they aren't random in any way. I worry that if anybody might be trying to smuggle something untoward aboard then all they need do is go through security as I do when attention will be diverted on a young(ish) white middle-class British couple with no aspirations to create airborne mayhem...
The one thing I will say is that the guys doing the searches tend to be fairly polite, unlike the cretins who check the documents on the way through... If America no longer wishes people to visit could they send an email or something (it's not you, it's me...) rather than try to irritate us into not travelling any more.
Having grown up during a fairly brutal and bitter terrorist campaign in a high-security environment in the UK and overseas I do have respect for the requirements to prevent problems (and lock the stable door long after the horse of course) but this just seems lazy and pointless and leaves a nagging doubt as to the likely efficacy of the measures in place.
I think I know why we are subjected to such security - my wife managed to fly to the US on a passport that was in fact cancelled in error by the UKPA a few years ago and now on leaving the US (every single time) we have the manual bag search, gate grope and explosives puffer.
I don't have any great issue with the searches except that they aren't random in any way. I worry that if anybody might be trying to smuggle something untoward aboard then all they need do is go through security as I do when attention will be diverted on a young(ish) white middle-class British couple with no aspirations to create airborne mayhem...
The one thing I will say is that the guys doing the searches tend to be fairly polite, unlike the cretins who check the documents on the way through... If America no longer wishes people to visit could they send an email or something (it's not you, it's me...) rather than try to irritate us into not travelling any more.
Having grown up during a fairly brutal and bitter terrorist campaign in a high-security environment in the UK and overseas I do have respect for the requirements to prevent problems (and lock the stable door long after the horse of course) but this just seems lazy and pointless and leaves a nagging doubt as to the likely efficacy of the measures in place.
that would not be a valid claim of profiling.
My suggestion is grow a beard and make your wife wear a burka.
#54
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Salish Sea
Programs: DL,AC,HH,PC
Posts: 8,972
Remember this is all just a game of scoring "points". It's not about security.
#55
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: CLE
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Posts: 98
Perhaps I'm overthinking this, but maybe they were so obvioous because they were doing covert surveillance on someone and were trying to see if they could scare up a reaction. Nahh, just giving unearned credit.
#56
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Dublin
Posts: 4
I'm just bored of it. I'm no threat, of this I am sure, but the fella who doesn't get checked because yeat again I am may be.
Perhaps the beard/burka combo is worth trying next time for a laugh
#57
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 302
From TSA manual 1002.456 subsection 2.3a:
Identifying Valuable Items.
A. Hand Signals.
1. Agents shall use selected signals (Section 1002.456) to identify passengers wearing Rolex watches, gold jewelry, diamonds, and other expensive items to allow agents in the screening process to perform a national security despoilment.
Identifying Valuable Items.
A. Hand Signals.
1. Agents shall use selected signals (Section 1002.456) to identify passengers wearing Rolex watches, gold jewelry, diamonds, and other expensive items to allow agents in the screening process to perform a national security despoilment.
#58
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Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: MSP
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From TSA manual 1002.456 subsection 2.3a:
Identifying Valuable Items.
A. Hand Signals.
1. Agents shall use selected signals (Section 1002.456) to identify passengers wearing Rolex watches, gold jewelry, diamonds, and other expensive items to allow agents in the screening process to perform a national security despoilment.
Identifying Valuable Items.
A. Hand Signals.
1. Agents shall use selected signals (Section 1002.456) to identify passengers wearing Rolex watches, gold jewelry, diamonds, and other expensive items to allow agents in the screening process to perform a national security despoilment.
#59
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Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Newport Beach, California, USA
Posts: 36,062
From TSA manual 1002.456 subsection 2.3a:
Identifying Valuable Items.
A. Hand Signals.
1. Agents shall use selected signals (Section 1002.456) to identify passengers wearing Rolex watches, gold jewelry, diamonds, and other expensive items to allow agents in the screening process to perform a national security despoilment.
Identifying Valuable Items.
A. Hand Signals.
1. Agents shall use selected signals (Section 1002.456) to identify passengers wearing Rolex watches, gold jewelry, diamonds, and other expensive items to allow agents in the screening process to perform a national security despoilment.
More TSA stupidity.




