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Old Jun 29, 2009, 2:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Spence1097
I couldn't help but laugh last Thursday afternoon in TPA when the screener doing a bag check on my sons bag opened up both his "Finding Nemo" and "The Wild" dvd cases, pulled out the dvds and lifted them up in the air reflecting light off them as if they were something he had never seen before. So yes it can be wierd but it was also just plain funny to watch, he had a LOT of people staring at him as he held those DVD's up in the air as it was so ridiculous looking.
Sort of makes you want to make fake porn covers for the DVDs like "TSA Threesomes", "Screeners in Heat" and "Down and dirty wanding" just to see the reactions, doesn't it.
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Old Jun 29, 2009, 2:31 pm
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Sort of makes you want to make fake porn covers for the DVDs like "TSA Threesomes", "Screeners in Heat" and "Down and dirty wanding" just to see the reactions, doesn't it.
Now THAT would be funny!^^
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Old Jun 29, 2009, 3:45 pm
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Originally Posted by cparekh
My first post ever in the TS&S forum was because of the violation I felt when the TSA started asking questions about my journal articles I had with me when I passed through security. They have a lot of math in them, as is the norm for any economics article, and TSA started asking what all that stuff was about.

I am sad to hear that all this time later, TSA and the First Amendment still seem to be at odds.
Blogdad Bob will call that justified because you were carrying weapons of math instruction.

ETA: Posted comment concerning this incident to PV under the last available blog entry, which is still the "St Louis Update". We'll see if it is approved -- though it is anonymous, it should be quite obvious to participants here.

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Old Jun 29, 2009, 5:03 pm
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Originally Posted by n4zhg
Blogdad Bob will call that justified because you were carrying weapons of math instruction.

ETA: Posted comment concerning this incident to PV under the last available blog entry, which is still the "St Louis Update". We'll see if it is approved -- though it is anonymous, it should be quite obvious to participants here.
PV has not been updated in days, wonder what's up.
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Old Jun 29, 2009, 5:11 pm
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Originally Posted by TSORon

Lets try and be a little realistic folks, you cannot demand that the TSO’s not react as any normal human does.
So you are defending this particular passenger being detained solely because he was carrying a script about terrorism?
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Old Jun 29, 2009, 5:16 pm
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Originally Posted by CaptainMiles
It can. What if said document contained instructions on how to mix the right amounts of liquids and gels (say, shampoo and chapstick) to create an explosive? Could the TSA argue that they were going through the guy's materials to make sure they did not contain materials that could be used in travel-related terrorism?

It's a very slippery slope. Next thing you know they will prohibit certain reading material, starting with explosive-making recipes, then aircraft operating handbooks, then pilot training books, then maps, then pictures of buildings, and on and on. And of course, to make sure you don't being any of these dangerous items, they will have to read your papers.

Then they'll realize you can bring all those docs on your laptop or phone or Kindle, and they will have to ban those too.

It's the slippery slope towards flying naked.

My stance is that we have to accept the risk that people may carry bomb-making instructions. If we don't accept that risk the TSA will allege that they can read our documents, and the we go further down the slippery slope. That's why it's important to fight all these intrusions, and fight them hard, now.
Actually, it can't. Absent the material to bring a plane down literature can do nothing.

Should a soldier be detained by TSA for possessing a copy of the Army field manual? How about a retiree? Or, even better, a government contractor (think Blackwater) carrying unclassified material on how to make and/or disarm an IED? Or a copy of the various publications mentioned in this thread?

The First Amendment is there for a reason, even if TSA would like to deny it's existence.

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Even though I spent just under a decade working for the Federal Government, I agree with this statement and have taught this principle to my children. The government is not your friend. Never call them or voluntarily get them involved in your affairs. It's going to come back to bite you every time.

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+1. The words "Trust me" out of the mouth of a government employee make me very, very suspicious.
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Old Jun 29, 2009, 7:59 pm
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i'm wondering if their lips moved while they were reading it?


Not only was your response before mine but it was also funnier. Bad goalie, bad!

Mike
i try, lord knows i try . now would you kindly open the penalty box door for me
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Old Jun 29, 2009, 9:29 pm
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PV has not been updated in days, wonder what's up.
Probably something "facilitat[ive] of ongoing dialogue" like "...been at a conference preparing for the holiday. Posting will be light for a few days. Chill."
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Old Jun 30, 2009, 12:56 am
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i try, lord knows i try . now would you kindly open the penalty box door for me
isn't your penalty served by another player in the thread?
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Old Jun 30, 2009, 9:10 am
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Originally Posted by goalie
i try, lord knows i try . now would you kindly open the penalty box door for me
I thought goalies never went to penaly box - one of the other players had to serve the penalty.
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Old Jun 30, 2009, 9:20 am
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Originally Posted by TSORon
Sophistry, again. Saying one likes an author is a judgment true, but not an offensive one. As for reading, a normal human cannot avoid reading something placed in front of them if there are written words on it. Impossible.

Lets try and be a little realistic folks, you cannot demand that the TSO’s not react as any normal human does.
You're right, I expect way too much from people whose job is (ostensibly) to keep THREATS off planes. Reading anything other than BPs or (sigh) IDs is not part of your job, to find all those hidden razor blades you simply flip through the book(s). What words the books contain does not concern you.
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Old Jun 30, 2009, 9:26 am
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Originally Posted by Wally Bird
You're right, I expect way too much from people whose job is (ostensibly) to keep THREATS off planes. Reading anything other than BPs or (sigh) IDs is not part of your job, to find all those hidden razor blades you simply flip through the book(s). What words the books contain does not concern you.
Unfortunately, this gives them a nasty way to retaliate: one of them may decide to open and carefully check every single page of a book looking for a razor blade. It may take long enough to make sure you miss your flight.

I have never heard of this happenning, but I don't think I can put it past them.
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Old Jun 30, 2009, 11:27 am
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Originally Posted by PoliceStateSurvivor
Unfortunately, this gives them a nasty way to retaliate: one of them may decide to open and carefully check every single page of a book looking for a razor blade. It may take long enough to make sure you miss your flight.

I have never heard of this happenning, but I don't think I can put it past them.
That's why you have the phone number of the airport operations manager in your pocket. TSO pulls this stunt, you drop a dime from your cell phone.
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Old Jun 30, 2009, 12:53 pm
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Originally Posted by PoliceStateSurvivor
Unfortunately, this gives them a nasty way to retaliate: one of them may decide to open and carefully check every single page of a book looking for a razor blade. It may take long enough to make sure you miss your flight.

I have never heard of this happenning, but I don't think I can put it past them.
Actually, I think I do recall a couple of posts about the TSA going through papers, page by page. One victim was a young kid who had school work with him, which the TSA minutely examined. Don't know anyone missed flights because of the delay, however.
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Old Jun 30, 2009, 1:31 pm
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Originally Posted by doober
Actually, I think I do recall a couple of posts about the TSA going through papers, page by page. One victim was a young kid who had school work with him, which the TSA minutely examined. Don't know anyone missed flights because of the delay, however.
I saw a TSA guy going through someone's wallet at DCA one day, piece by piece, paper by paper.
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