security check on ARRIVAL
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Because it is expected to be much slower to wait for police escort to escape from such a badly designed airport[*] than it is to go through the security screening to escape from the airport through the screened area.
[*]I.e. one where there is no way to leave the airport after exiting customs other than to go through the screened area. Unfortunately, such airports are common in the US.
[*]I.e. one where there is no way to leave the airport after exiting customs other than to go through the screened area. Unfortunately, such airports are common in the US.
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Yup, SEA used to have this nonsense years ago at the S. satellite. I refused the search and the TSA drone threatened to call the police, to which I agreed. The airport cops (ptooey!) arrived, gave me the "security spiel" and some empty threats but in the end had no option but to escort me through the back door. Boy, were they pissed. Tee-hee ^
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Yup, SEA used to have this nonsense years ago at the S. satellite. I refused the search and the TSA drone threatened to call the police, to which I agreed. The airport cops (ptooey!) arrived, gave me the "security spiel" and some empty threats but in the end had no option but to escort me through the back door. Boy, were they pissed. Tee-hee ^
Congratulations on winning that one.
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EU regulations require segregation of pax originating outside the EEC. Due to the layout of the KEF terminal (where "swing" gates can be converted from Schengen to non-Schengen), the only way to exit a non-EEC gate is to pass via the EEC concourse and its security check.
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Also, the non-Schengen gates and the immigration checkpoint are located right at the end of the terminal - the furthest point away from baggage claim. Considering that no more than 5% of passengers are originating from a non-EU destination and terminating in KEF (versus transfering at KEF which would require a security check anyway or originating at an EU airport in which case Duty Free in sealed bags would be acceptable), there really isn't a significant constituency to justify it.
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You miss the point. This is an administrative search. That means the passenger must be able to decline the search. If I decline a search on the way to an aircraft, the consequences are that I'm not allowed to fly. This is legal because there is supposedly no right to fly. But what are the consequences if I decline such a search on arrival? I'm not permitted to go home? Unlike flying, I do have a right to go home: I cannot be forced to be searched in order to be able to go one (once I've cleared Customs). Why would people agree to a completely optional search?
I'm sure you could refuse the search. But you would have to wait around for LEOs to come and escort you out of the airport. You also might have your record documented so that on future trips you would get SSSS treatment every time. Not worth it, IMHO!
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Before 9/11 or even TWA 800, experienced this on UA FCO-MIL-IAD. The stop in Milan was supposed to be 20 minutes, barely long enough to load pax for the transatlantic leg. (No one then paid U.S. carrier prices just to go FCO-MIL.) Instead, we were told to exit the plane as rapidly as possible, bringing all carry-on with us. Exiting was not rapid, because some kind of LEOs were running all carry-ons through an x-ray set up in the jetway right outside the plane, clearly not its regular location. Two hours and a gate change later, we were back on the same 747too many pax to tell if anyone was missing. Much speculation about bank robbers/jewel thieves/etc. but we never found out.
If there's a specific reason, and warrant or equivalent, to do this to catch a bad guy I have no objection. For random "because we can" snipe hunts, I do.
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No legitimate reason exists to document your record as you are only following the rules as they exist. In addition, why should you even have to show ID to get out?
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I disagree. It is always "worth it" to exercise one's rights, especially in the face of ludicrously stupid "security" policies.
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Opinions differ (obviously) on what is "worth it".
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Also at about the same time, a number of arrivals at CDG were accompanied by passport spotchecks at the door of the plane on disembarking. Don't know if this is only done on flights originating in Africa, but I certainly have never experienced it off any other flight arriving in CDG. It considerably slows down the disembarking, I can tell you, as they are extremely fastidious in their inspection of every single passport.
My suspicion on this is that the process has more to do with stopping illegal immigration than any security measure, but who knows?
My suspicion on this is that the process has more to do with stopping illegal immigration than any security measure, but who knows?
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