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IslandBased May 7, 2009 12:01 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 11709876)
Bob brought her onto the team as a Blog Commentator.

Surely Kelly Mae has Bob's complete confidence to post thoughtful comments in response to the current remarks.

Not enough to let her moderate while he is at
the "Free Water, TSA's Greatest Resource" conference.

Mr. Gel-pack May 7, 2009 12:09 pm


Originally Posted by Crazyace718 (Post 11708220)
I remember once one of those roaming TSA teams tailed some guy through a bunch of terminals. He was timing himself and counting his footsteps. When they got closer to him they saw several swastika tattoos. The TSOs called up LEOs who interviewed then searched him. They didnt find anything dangerous so they just let him go. What if one day he comes back with something dangerous?

Did you read the post: "We focus on behaviors to flush out the possible terrorists, not appearance." -- TSA can't tell a terrorist by appearance.

Crazyace718 May 7, 2009 12:26 pm


Originally Posted by Mr. Gel-pack (Post 11711375)
Did you read the post: "We focus on behaviors to flush out the possible terrorists, not appearance." -- TSA can't tell a terrorist by appearance.

Did you read my post?


Originally Posted by Crazyace718 (Post 11710730)
I also said they observed him timing himself and counting his footsteps as he traveled from terminal to terminal. The Nazi tattoos were just sprinkles on the top.

I guess not...

LessO2 May 7, 2009 12:28 pm


Originally Posted by Crazyace718 (Post 11711485)
Did you read my post?

I guess not...

You chose to make appearance an issue to make your point. You can't do takebacks after you've been called out on something.

Crazyace718 May 7, 2009 12:39 pm


Originally Posted by LessO2 (Post 11711496)
You chose to make appearance an issue to make your point. You can't do takebacks after you've been called out on something.


Originally Posted by Crazyace718 (Post 11708220)
I remember once one of those roaming TSA teams tailed some guy through a bunch of terminals. He was timing himself and counting his footsteps. When they got closer to him they saw several swastika tattoos. The TSOs called up LEOs who interviewed then searched him. They didnt find anything dangerous so they just let him go. What if one day he comes back with something dangerous?

Who is doing takebacks? Look at my statement. They noticed a guy timing himself and counting footsteps. The team followed him through several terminals and decided to confront him. Once they approached him they noticed several Nazi tatoos. No one approached him because of the tattoos it was his behavior that made him suspicious.

I'm not saying Nazi tattoos make you a terrorist. They are uncommon and make people stand out. I would add any uncommon features about this person into the story for example if he was wearing a clown suit, LEO uniform, Military uniform, cross dressed, or had "Kip Hawley is an idiot" tattooed over his eyelids.

DevilDog438 May 7, 2009 12:44 pm


Originally Posted by Crazyace718 (Post 11711567)
Who is doing takebacks? Look at my statement. They noticed a guy timing himself and counting footsteps. The team followed him through several terminals and decided to confront him. Once they approached him they noticed several Nazi tatoos. No one approached him because of the tattoos it was his behavior that made him suspicious.

Or, one could hypothesize, they approached him because of his Nazi tattoos and wrote that he was "timing and counting footsteps" in their report to artfully hide the fact that the tattoos were really what they keyed off to determine their need to approach...

Crazyace718 May 7, 2009 12:55 pm


Originally Posted by DevilDog438 (Post 11711586)
Or, one could hypothesize, they approached him because of his Nazi tattoos and wrote that he was "timing and counting footsteps" in their report to artfully hide the fact that the tattoos were really what they keyed off to determine their need to approach...

Dont you mean one could fabricate?

DevilDog438 May 7, 2009 1:10 pm


Originally Posted by Crazyace718 (Post 11711658)
Dont you mean one could fabricate?

No, I clearly meant hypothesize. By your phrasing, you were NOT a member of said team. This means that you are going off of third-party information. People embellish stories all of the time. The fact that the LEO let the individual go means there was no RS/PC to hold him for further investigation. Given the attitude of the majority of the TSA Barney Fife community that I have witnessed over the years, and the years of experience in a firehouse (another realm of GREAT stories), I have no qualms in making my hypothesis.

Mr. Gel-pack May 7, 2009 1:59 pm


Originally Posted by Crazyace718 (Post 11711567)
Who is doing takebacks? Look at my statement. They noticed a guy timing himself and counting footsteps. The team followed him through several terminals and decided to confront him. Once they approached him they noticed several Nazi tatoos. No one approached him because of the tattoos it was his behavior that made him suspicious.

I'm not saying Nazi tattoos make you a terrorist. They are uncommon and make people stand out. I would add any uncommon features about this person into the story for example if he was wearing a clown suit, LEO uniform, Military uniform, cross dressed, or had "Kip Hawley is an idiot" tattooed over his eyelids.

From your rendition of the incident, it was the LEOs that interrogated/confronted the guy, not the TSOs. The behavior itself was not enough to call in the mounties until they approached and noticed the tattoos. Were the tattoos relevant? To the TSOs? To your post?

I just thought it was funny that one of the main points in the OP's linked PV post is about how appearance doesn't matter.

Ayn R Key May 7, 2009 3:55 pm

West really doesn't like it that I accused TSOs of using the Nuremberg defense.

FXWizard May 7, 2009 5:08 pm


Originally Posted by Ayn R Key (Post 11712733)
West really doesn't like it that I accused TSOs of using the Nuremberg defense.

Did you explain that you were only doing as you were told? ;)

Crazyace718 May 8, 2009 10:07 am


Originally Posted by Mr. Gel-pack (Post 11712043)
From your rendition of the incident, it was the LEOs that interrogated/confronted the guy, not the TSOs. The behavior itself was not enough to call in the mounties until they approached and noticed the tattoos. Were the tattoos relevant? To the TSOs? To your post?

I just thought it was funny that one of the main points in the OP's linked PV post is about how appearance doesn't matter.

The mans behavior was very abnormal. which is why they followed him through several airport terminals. They believed that he was trying to determine which terminal he could escape from the fastest. The team tailed him for a while until they felt like that he was finished then approached him. They were probably looking for a valid reason for his actions. OCD or something of that nature. I was told that he "flipped out" on them. So the LEOs took it from there.

They followed the individual around and confronted him before seeing the tattoos so no they didn't confront him because of them. I think the guy not cooperating made them far more unsettled than any tattoo could. I added the tattoos into the post because its just not very common. Like I said earlier if he had a clown suit or Kip Hawley tattoo I would have added that too.

AngryMiller May 8, 2009 10:12 am

Counting, checking, flipping out when confronted? That poor guy might have had a bad case of OCD. I hope that the police confronting him dealt with him professionally.

Ayn R Key May 8, 2009 10:29 am


Originally Posted by FXWizard (Post 11713099)
Did you explain that you were only doing as you were told? ;)

He actually thinks I accused him of genocide. :eek:

An anonymous has already gotten a comment through that explains what the Nuremberg defense is, and I submitted one that hasn't been approved yet.

Boggie Dog May 8, 2009 10:55 am


Originally Posted by Crazyace718 (Post 11716596)
The mans behavior was very abnormal.


Ah, so thats why the BDO's picked up on this person.


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