Is toothpaste a paste or a liquid?
May 28, 2009 | 2:14 pm
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Well, my post does not split hairs, if that helps.
Actually, fluoride is a generic term for quite a number of compounds ranging from halide to sulfur tetrafluoride. So the reality is that fluoride is not a medication but a chemical additive, just as vitamin D is to most milk now days. This does not make milk a medicine, nor does fluoride make toothpaste a medicine.
I hope that helps your understanding a bit.
Actually, fluoride is a generic term for quite a number of compounds ranging from halide to sulfur tetrafluoride. So the reality is that fluoride is not a medication but a chemical additive, just as vitamin D is to most milk now days. This does not make milk a medicine, nor does fluoride make toothpaste a medicine.
I hope that helps your understanding a bit.
Originally Posted by FDA
How can a product be both a cosmetic and a drug?
Some products meet the definitions of both cosmetics and drugs. This may happen when a product has two intended uses. For example, a shampoo is a cosmetic because its intended use is to cleanse the hair. An antidandruff treatment is a drug because its intended use is to treat dandruff. Consequently, an antidandruff shampoo is both a cosmetic and a drug. Among other cosmetic/drug combinations are toothpastes that contain fluoride, deodorants that are also antiperspirants, and moisturizers and makeup marketed with sun-protection claims. Such products must comply with the requirements for both cosmetics and drugs.
Some products meet the definitions of both cosmetics and drugs. This may happen when a product has two intended uses. For example, a shampoo is a cosmetic because its intended use is to cleanse the hair. An antidandruff treatment is a drug because its intended use is to treat dandruff. Consequently, an antidandruff shampoo is both a cosmetic and a drug. Among other cosmetic/drug combinations are toothpastes that contain fluoride, deodorants that are also antiperspirants, and moisturizers and makeup marketed with sun-protection claims. Such products must comply with the requirements for both cosmetics and drugs.
http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/cos-218.html
May 28, 2009 | 2:41 pm
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May 28, 2009 | 4:06 pm
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Ron, and his helpful clarifications aside, I think this is the crux of the issue. TSA seems to be able to consider whatever it wants to be medication, and this is a list they do not need to publish. I see no solution to the problem unless GSK sends it lobbyists to DC to fix the problem.
May 28, 2009 | 11:48 pm
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How can we apply toothpaste tube theory here?
May 29, 2009 | 10:05 am
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The FDA seems to have a slightly different standard.
(bolding mine)
http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/cos-218.html
(bolding mine)
http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/cos-218.html
Ahh, well its a good thing that the FDA does not run DHS and TSA then isnt it.
Here is some info on why the TSA might be more than a bit interested in tooth paste.
http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=get...fier=AD0272180
May 29, 2009 | 10:10 am
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Ahh, well its a good thing that the FDA does not run DHS and TSA then isnt it.
Here is some info on why the TSA might be more than a bit interested in tooth paste.
http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=get...fier=AD0272180
Here is some info on why the TSA might be more than a bit interested in tooth paste.
http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=get...fier=AD0272180
May 29, 2009 | 1:16 pm
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May 29, 2009 | 1:27 pm
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You got a nitwit of a screener who just made things up - there is no such rule, however 3.4 oz is the limit, but it has nothing to do with a 'squeezable' container. They consider a paste the same as a gel.
Your 4.2 container was over the limit, hence the involuntary forfeiture.
Next time, try harder to artfully conceal your over-the-limit liquids and gels
Your 4.2 container was over the limit, hence the involuntary forfeiture.
Next time, try harder to artfully conceal your over-the-limit liquids and gels
May 29, 2009 | 2:28 pm
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Now, of course I have (once again) noted the attempt to overly sensationalize an informational post. I provided the link to give those who might be interested, a bit more information than they might have.
May 29, 2009 | 9:00 pm
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Actually there AM, they do, and quite well. The technology is way out of date, some ETD's are more than 20 years old, but they work.
Now, of course I have (once again) noted the attempt to overly sensationalize an informational post. I provided the link to give those who might be interested, a bit more information than they might have.
Now, of course I have (once again) noted the attempt to overly sensationalize an informational post. I provided the link to give those who might be interested, a bit more information than they might have.
May 29, 2009 | 9:28 pm
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Okay, so you have a 3.4 oz restriction by volume. Toothpaste is sold by weight. Given that toothpaste has a higher density than does water (1 cc of water is 1 gram) how does that correlate to the 3.4 oz by volume? Bad science there Ron since with the exception of water and perhaps other mixtures, 1cm volume doesn't equal 1 gram weight.
May 29, 2009 | 9:34 pm
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TSA is the most robot driven organization I have ever seen shy of the Village Idiot. There is absolutely no consistacy in their application of STATED RULES AND POLICIES. Everytime you go through an airport screening it is a GAMBLE as to their attitude or training. Who are they protecting us or their jobs.
May 29, 2009 | 10:01 pm
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May 30, 2009 | 5:54 am
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May 30, 2009 | 8:02 am
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Ron, rules have to make sense otherwise the other rules become suspect as well. I gave you the TSA line back to you in a rational argument. You tell me to chill out. Tell you what Ronbo, get your agency's act together. Drop the drama, the Hollywood terrorist scenarios, get some real professionals in management, then the complaints will go away.
Before 9/11 I had no problems with security and got the pat down due to shoes alarming on every flight. I never complained about security. Now TSA thinks it rules the world, I've got lots of problems suffering the fools that make up half baked SOPS that do ABSOLUTELY nothing to either improve security or make be feel safer.
Ronbo try your own suggestions for relaxing. My question to you is how you manage to look at yourself in the mirror every morning when you know that you're following the rules only to keep your job. Quit TSA and the feeling that you've sold your soul to the lowest bidder might go away.