Is toothpaste a paste or a liquid?
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FDA's PDF slide show for dummies (see page 4)
Sunscreens, antiperspirants, dandruff shampoos, and fluoride toothpastes are all medicines as defined by the US Federal government. It is not within the TSA's purview to declare that such items are not medicines.
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I had no problem getting sunscreen (over 3 oz) thorugh a checkpoint once, the TSO even saw it. Had they desired to take it, the back mentioned all the drug facts, etc, so I was prepared to fight... I mean, ask, that I be allowed to keep it.
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The US FDA considers sunscreens (at least real ones) to be drugs, and thus, logically, exempt from the 100mL limit.
FDA's PDF slide show for dummies (see page 4)
Sunscreens, antiperspirants, dandruff shampoos, and fluoride toothpastes are all medicines as defined by the US Federal government. It is not within the TSA's purview to declare that such items are not medicines.
FDA's PDF slide show for dummies (see page 4)
Sunscreens, antiperspirants, dandruff shampoos, and fluoride toothpastes are all medicines as defined by the US Federal government. It is not within the TSA's purview to declare that such items are not medicines.

I have a gel antiperspirant labeled 4oz (of course that's weight; hint: weight is generally used to quantify solids), a larger bottle of Listerine, etc. going into my bag. They all have the requisite "Drug Facts" label.
Instead of asking the TSO if he/she is licensed to practice medicine, I can ask if he/she is licensed to regulate medicines.
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Which, frankly, is fine with me. Getting through the checkpoint is hard enough without having a debate with a screener about whether or not my 5.5oz toothpaste tube is more than 62% full (since 5.5 * 62% = 3.4oz).
Yes, that means that perfectly reasonable amounts of LGAs can't be brought aboard in carry-on luggage. But if you're going to have a rule limiting LGAs, this rule is at least easy to execute. All everyone has to do is read the label.
Note: I'm not arguing that the reason for excluding LGAs is valid. I'm just saying that if you're gonna restrict it, keeping the rule simple is a good thing.
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If I ever have the distinction to work for TSA, I would carry a copy of the Periodic Table in my pocket. Whenever passengers are flummoxed about paste or liquids, I would retrieve it and give a quick discourse in basic chemistry.

The Periodic Table only charts elements, not compounds, nor does it detail phase changes (the temperatures/pressures at which elements or compounds change from solid to liquid, liquid to gas, or sublime).
Water, H2O, is a compound of two elements, hydrogen (H) and oxygen (O). At temperatures common to most checkpoints, hydrogen would be a gas, and oxygen would be a gas
Ooooh, wait, I get it, I get it!!!
One bottle of water, composed of two gases, comin' through


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I have been travelling in the US for over a year with a 4.2oz tube of toothpaste (not gel) in my carryon (not in the the 1 quart bag) with no problem. The other morning my bag got pulled off the xray line for toothpaste detected on the machine. The tube clearly state "paste" not "gel" but I was told that it was not allowed. Further more the TSA agent told me that "anything in a squeezeable container greater than 3oz was a no no!"
When did this new rule arrive. The web, the placards in the airport, etc, all prohibit liquids, gels, and aerosols, not pastes! There are some countries that specifically state "No Pastes" right on their signs but I have never seen this in the US.
When did this new rule arrive. The web, the placards in the airport, etc, all prohibit liquids, gels, and aerosols, not pastes! There are some countries that specifically state "No Pastes" right on their signs but I have never seen this in the US.

The one I loved was a lady trying to convince TSA that perfume was not a liquid, just because it cost her a couple hundred bucks :-)
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This brings up a interesting question. If my bottle is designated in oz (weight) as opposed to ozl (volume), what determines if its allowed?
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If you'd like to explain to TSA how idiotic this is, you'll have to wait your turn. Read more here.
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The US FDA considers sunscreens (at least real ones) to be drugs, and thus, logically, exempt from the 100mL limit.
FDA's PDF slide show for dummies (see page 4)
Sunscreens, antiperspirants, dandruff shampoos, and fluoride toothpastes are all medicines as defined by the US Federal government. It is not within the TSA's purview to declare that such items are not medicines.
FDA's PDF slide show for dummies (see page 4)
Sunscreens, antiperspirants, dandruff shampoos, and fluoride toothpastes are all medicines as defined by the US Federal government. It is not within the TSA's purview to declare that such items are not medicines.
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Frozen gels/liquids are permitted if required to cool medical and infant/child exemptions. Frozen gels/liquids for any other purpose are not permitted.
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If it's more than 3.4 (or 3.0, at some checkpoints) it's not allowed. Little details like weight vs volume are too much for them. 
If you'd like to explain to TSA how idiotic this is, you'll have to wait your turn. Read more here.

If you'd like to explain to TSA how idiotic this is, you'll have to wait your turn. Read more here.
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The TSA website clearly states, "3.4 ounce bottle or less (by volume)" and toothpaste is not marked by volume but weight (grams). I think the next time I get this Cr-p from TSA I am going to ask them to pull out their measuring cup or give me their name and badge number.

Yeah, I hear you. But Blogger Bob over at Propaganda Village (see link in my previous post) as much as said it was too much to expect their little brains to deal with all those slide-tables and log-rules to calculate the volume of toothpaste when it's labelled in weight. So they've just decided to ignore established definitions and pretend that oz (fluid) = oz (weight) = oz (merry old land of).

If you got metric toothpaste
marked in grams not ounces, you should be okay as they probably won't know what grams are.
I don't want to discourage you from challenging them, but I predict you'll get a typical "just following rules" reply. Or D.Y.W.T.F.T.Always remember that we're dealing with an organization that thinks "frozen liquid" is a state of matter.
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Yeah, I hear you. But Blogger Bob over at Propaganda Village (see link in my previous post) as much as said it was too much to expect their little brains to deal with all those slide-tables and log-rules to calculate the volume of toothpaste when it's labelled in weight. So they've just decided to ignore established definitions and pretend that oz (fluid) = oz (weight) = oz (merry old land of).
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Yeah, I hear you. But Blogger Bob over at Propaganda Village (see link in my previous post) as much as said it was too much to expect their little brains to deal with all those slide-tables and log-rules to calculate the volume of toothpaste when it's labelled in weight. So they've just decided to ignore established definitions and pretend that oz (fluid) = oz (weight) = oz (merry old land of).

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Meanwhile the general is horribly delayed as this dumbed down to <zero version of physics and chemistry is foisted on the disbelieving.

