The liSSSSts are being dealt with by Congress:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/cq/20090204/...olitics3023628

So it hopefully won't come to that if this idea of boarding gate screening comes back into vogue more than it already has.

An appeals process for us listed persons is not a solution. There are simply too many persons to deal with fairly and quickly. In fact, an appeal process already exists: it is completely ineffective, and provides no answers to those of us who do not live in the US (the DHS seems to think "foreign nationals" are not normal human beings). The list is too long and too wrong to correct. It has to be eliminated. If a list is to be kept, they should start from scratch.

Here are the three people who voted AGAINST this bill (all Republicans):

Broun (GA)
Poe (TX)
Westmoreland

And here are the 16 (both parties) who didn't bother to vote:

Barrett (SC)
Buyer
Campbell
Crowley
Flake
Frank (MA)
Kilpatrick (MI)
McMorris Rodgers
Moran (KS)
Napolitano
Payne
Perriello
Solis (CA)
Stark
Tiahrt
Vel�zquez

It's a disgrace that Congress has to kick DHS in the pants over this issue.

The lists should be abolished all together and DHS should have to show clear, probable cause to restrict a person's civil liberties in any way.

Lists are sick, disgusting, and un-American. Those responsible for their existence and continued use should be caned and terminated.

So, it's official. CAPPS/SSSS for the most part dies on 2/14. All airlines need to be in compliance with the new rules by that date. Some early prep work or something is beginning on 7th.

Actually, the FBI is the agency who creates and maintains the lists.

That I have received SSSS on my boarding pass from December 2003. Where I am flying back home to PHX. I didn't realize know what happening to me. Because I was paid the ticket twice but, it was made mistaken while I am useable the computerized at the library in South Florida. Because the address doesn't exist correctly. Because before we were moving to Arizona back in late-2003. So I have flying to ATL for 3 days and turnaround back home to PHX. This is reason why the TSA want to ask me questionable about my bags want to being screened by L3 Communication. So he put my bags into the conveyer belt will sent it downstairs.

...I understood the "questionable" part...

CAPPS is going away because of "secure flight". ANd that will bring it's own set of problems.

Yup - can we all goosestep and say "yes, I have received my government-approved permission to travel..."???

That's right -- TSA harassment and haraSSSSment-like treatment in some form will continue based on CAPPS II+ aka Secure Flight.

http://www.management.travel/news.ph...yers.Feb-09.05

This is yet another goosestep in the direction of government monitoring and control of the free public.

I think these changes are really going to make it hell for those of us unfortunate enough to be watch listed. I don't believe in a reasonable and timely system to sift through thousands of wrongfully included names (especially for us non-Americans), and now, when we show up with our SSSS passes, we are going to be treated by the TSA like "people who really deserve it" instead of being lumped in with the rest of the last minute flight changes and one-way ticket SSSS people.

The worst part is that there is absolutely no way an SSSS boarding pass is ever going to catch a known terrorist. First, because secondary screening to all listed passengers decreases overall security, second, because a terrorist who knew he/she was on the watch list would fake an identity, third, because there are many ways to bring bad stuff into an airport that do not involve the checkpoint and finally, because there is still no checking if the boarding pass is not fake.

That is incorrect in both regards.

1. No one deserves haraSSSSment treatment when the individual is neither subject to a court warrant for their arrest nor subject to a court warrant for an extraordinary search -- either the person is free to travel or they are not free to travel.

2. The people who have "ID problems" will have ID problems as a result of DHS/TSA -- Secure Flight is a government-run project not an airline project.

In other words, this kind of un-American treatment is being reserved for people who in the main don't deserve it and for people who have ID problems with the government.

+1000

Retaliatory screenings should be punished by immediate termination and two years at Club Fed. Then they should have the joy of trying to find a job with a federal felony hanging on them like an albatross.

I'm quite sure that between my objections to CAPPS II, my advocacy for armed flight crews and passengers, and equating George Bush with supporters of Voldemort (aka Death Eaters) in published articles the reason for my inclusion in the terrorist watch lists were clear.

I only want the audit trail for my data record, so I know who to sue. If I ever find out, that son of a sea cook will become my new personal hobby -- to be professionally, socially, and financially ruined. I'll make his name so anathema he couldn't get a bed at a homeless shelter.

At least you know pretty well why you are on it. I see no other reason for my inclusion (and I am sure it is me since there are no other persons named Bubba Loop) other than the fact that I am a scientist who buys chemicals (including once a 100 mL bottle of peroxide) from companies that sell them to scientists. If that is a reason, the list is really, really, ridiculous. I would love to be able to sue. Do you think foreigners have a chance??