"Our job is to stop a terrorist attack."
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Quoted by Gale Rossides, in her statement to Congress. TSA's job is to stop a terrorist attack.
Mind-boggling. Can anyone just scream mission creep?
Mind-boggling. Can anyone just scream mission creep?
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This doesn't seem like a controversial statement - of course their job is to prevent a terrorist attack. We can argue about how well they do that job, and what collateral damage they create while doing it, but that's their job.
The statement I found absurd was the following:
Our Officers work in an environment in which 99.9 percent of the people they see every day are not a threat
So, she's implying that 1 in 1000 passengers is a threat? If that's the case, and given that there are about 770MM emplanements each year, then 770k passengers are a threat, which means that (with 10MM annual departures), 7% of flights have a terrorist on board. Either that, or TSA is turning away 770k/year and keeping them from flying. Neither seems remotely plausible.
Also, on the issue for which she was testifying (performance-based pay) I tend to agree with them - it's a good thing.
The statement I found absurd was the following:
Our Officers work in an environment in which 99.9 percent of the people they see every day are not a threat
So, she's implying that 1 in 1000 passengers is a threat? If that's the case, and given that there are about 770MM emplanements each year, then 770k passengers are a threat, which means that (with 10MM annual departures), 7% of flights have a terrorist on board. Either that, or TSA is turning away 770k/year and keeping them from flying. Neither seems remotely plausible.
Also, on the issue for which she was testifying (performance-based pay) I tend to agree with them - it's a good thing.
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Who's determining the performance standard though? How many wheelchair bound grannies you refer to secondary isn't a plausible benchmark.
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Originally Posted by chumbawumba
That's your problem: you look for bombs, not for bombers.
You can not solve everything by technique and with rules.
You can not solve everything by technique and with rules.
Originally Posted by cestmoi123
This doesn't seem like a controversial statement - of course their job is to prevent a terrorist attack. We can argue about how well they do that job, and what collateral damage they create while doing it, but that's their job.
Our Officers work in an environment in which 99.9 percent of the people they see every day are not a threat
So, she's implying that 1 in 1000 passengers is a threat? If that's the case, and given that there are about 770MM emplanements each year, then 770k passengers are a threat, which means that (with 10MM annual departures), 7% of flights have a terrorist on board. Either that, or TSA is turning away 770k/year and keeping them from flying. Neither seems remotely plausible.
So, she's implying that 1 in 1000 passengers is a threat? If that's the case, and given that there are about 770MM emplanements each year, then 770k passengers are a threat, which means that (with 10MM annual departures), 7% of flights have a terrorist on board. Either that, or TSA is turning away 770k/year and keeping them from flying. Neither seems remotely plausible.
Also, on the issue for which she was testifying (performance-based pay) I tend to agree with them - it's a good thing.
Additionally, we have the PERFORMANCE part of the equation. TSA isn't performing. So why should we pay them more when they have a very low failing grade?
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"Our job is to stop a terrorist attack."
Now get back to your job which is to keep prohibited weapons and bombs from getting by the security checkpoint or onto the planes.
And if stopping a terrorist attack is really your job, then it's really time to ship you and a huge proportion of your colleagues to Iraq and Afghanistan.
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And if stopping a terrorist attack is really your job, then it's really time to ship you and a huge proportion of your colleagues to Iraq and Afghanistan.
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The Threat TSA Fears Most
She is correct. She said "threat". She did not say to who or what, as in a "threat to the plane or a threat to the safety of the other passengers."
An OBL Approved Tewwowist is a threat. To the plane.
A non sheeple concerned passenger is also a threat. To the TSA mission creep. To the continued future of the security theater of the TSA. To the future of her overpaid job.
With 178,000 members, I'll bet about 2000 Flyertalkers fly every day.
Hello Fellow Traveler Threats.
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Quoted by Gale Rossides, in her statement to Congress. TSA's job is to stop a terrorist attack.
Mind-boggling. Can anyone just scream mission creep?
Mind-boggling. Can anyone just scream mission creep?
Our job is to stop a terrorist attack.
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What utter stupidity. No one can stop all terrorist attacks. For a good explanation why see this paper by Mueller (hat tip to Schneier).
america is not ready for that paper yet. another 10 years of humiliation and a few comprehension improvement initiatives later, and we'll be ready.
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TSA's job is not to stop a terrorist attack
Quoted by Gale Rossides, in her statement to Congress. TSA's job is to stop a terrorist attack.
This extreme hysteria over the perceived high risk of someone who opposes U.S. policies using terrorism as a means to strike back against the empire is ridiculous, and after years of having that idea pounded into our heads by our government, much of the American public is going along with it without questioning its validity. In less than a decade, the threat of terrorism has been woven into the fabric of our society. It's sickening.
In that same speech, Gale Rossides also stated, "Our Officers work in an environment in which 99.9 percent of the people they see every day are not a threat"
Each of these statements is quite revealing about how TSA perceives their role and how they perceive their relationship with those whom they are employed to serve.
In a comment posted to a recent TSA blog entry, I quoted the TSA mission statement, then asked:
Christopher, does TSA believe that 0.1% of the people that airport checkpoint agents see -- that is one out of every 1,000 -- are threats?
How does TSA define "terrorist"? Does it include (quoting John Gilmore) any IRA member from the last twenty years? A member of the Irgun (led by former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin)? Nelson Mandela, imprisoned for sabotage for 27 years by the South African government? A WTO protester? The US Government killed more Afghani civilians in the [2002] than the number of US people killed on 9/11; does that make US soldiers terrorists? Israel and Palestine both claim that the other is terrorist. So do India and Pakistan. So do leftists and rightists in Colombia.
If TSA is so wrapped up in dealing with the over-hyped threat of terrorist attack that its Deputy Administrator has forgotten the organization's true mission, so much that you expect us to accept your policy of restricting freedom of movement based on a blacklist labeled "terrorist watch list", surely you can define "terrorist" for us.
How does TSA define "terrorist"? Does it include (quoting John Gilmore) any IRA member from the last twenty years? A member of the Irgun (led by former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin)? Nelson Mandela, imprisoned for sabotage for 27 years by the South African government? A WTO protester? The US Government killed more Afghani civilians in the [2002] than the number of US people killed on 9/11; does that make US soldiers terrorists? Israel and Palestine both claim that the other is terrorist. So do India and Pakistan. So do leftists and rightists in Colombia.
If TSA is so wrapped up in dealing with the over-hyped threat of terrorist attack that its Deputy Administrator has forgotten the organization's true mission, so much that you expect us to accept your policy of restricting freedom of movement based on a blacklist labeled "terrorist watch list", surely you can define "terrorist" for us.
Last edited by pmocek; Jul 25, 2008 at 8:19 am Reason: better emphasize hysteria

