Is a child allowed in the cockpit while the plane is in flight?
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Yeah yeah, crossing the street, driving a car, visiting a hospital, yadda, yadda, yadda, are all riskier than flying in a plane with a cockpit infested with snot nosed kids. Riskier than flying without a seat belt. Riskier than letting pax sit in jump seats. Riskier than letting cripples sit in exit rows. Etc.
In my life I tend to look for the unnecessary risks and avoid them. That legal left turn out of the parking lot into a 6 lane road. Forget that ... I'll turn right and do the U-turn. Or find another exit from the lot that entails a left turn through fewer lanes. I want to live.
If you won't realistically evaluate your own behaviors, I'm sure not going to let you dictate mine.
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I have spoken with literally several hundred commercial pilots and hundreds of other civil aviation professionals in the past few years and without exception they all agree that a closed and secure cockpit door is the single most important element in securing the flight deck.
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Where did I compare Israel to Britain?
I did contrast them both to the US.
I may question your grasp of probability, but I don't call you stupid.
Are you comparing Iraq to the US?
Where did I do that?
I , myself, lock my car doors.
I did contrast them both to the US.I may question your grasp of probability, but I don't call you stupid.
Are you comparing Iraq to the US?

I , myself, lock my car doors.
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More succinctly, he's selfish.
If you are talking about how you conduct yourself and your flights on non-commercial private aviation, do whatever makes you feel happy.
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More succinctly, he's selfish.
If you're commercial pilot who lets snot snoses into your cockpit because it makes you feel good (either to pin some plastic wings on the tykes, or because it's your way of sticking to the man) then you are as selfish as that idiot Kudrinsky.
If you are talking about how you conduct yourself and your flights on non-commercial private aviation, do whatever makes you feel happy.
If you're commercial pilot who lets snot snoses into your cockpit because it makes you feel good (either to pin some plastic wings on the tykes, or because it's your way of sticking to the man) then you are as selfish as that idiot Kudrinsky.
If you are talking about how you conduct yourself and your flights on non-commercial private aviation, do whatever makes you feel happy.
Bedtime for me.
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Originally Posted by mre5765 View Post
I think you are beginning to get it.
Originally Posted by mre5765 View Post
Yeah yeah, crossing the street, driving a car, visiting a hospital, yadda, yadda, yadda, are all riskier than flying in a plane with a cockpit infested with snot nosed kids. Riskier than flying without a seat belt. Riskier than letting pax sit in jump seats. Riskier than letting cripples sit in exit rows. Etc.
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In my life I tend to look for the unnecessary risks and avoid them. That legal left turn out of the parking lot into a 6 lane road. Forget that ... I'll turn right and do the U-turn. Or find another exit from the lot that entails a left turn through fewer lanes. I want to live.
Originally Posted by mre5765 View Post
In my life I tend to look for the unnecessary risks and avoid them. That legal left turn out of the parking lot into a 6 lane road. Forget that ... I'll turn right and do the U-turn. Or find another exit from the lot that entails a left turn through fewer lanes. I want to live.
But you refuse to actually analyze risk but rely on emotion to evaluate it? That, my friend, is not the way to a long life.
There's no debate that I will live longer avoiding dangerous left turns.
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If you won't realistically evaluate your own behaviors, I'm sure not going to let you dictate mine.
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I especially try to avoid doing unnecessary things that put others at risk at no benefit to them and only benefit to me. Taking your kid into a commercial aircraft's cockpit is unnecessary, selfish, and puts me at risk.
I especially try to avoid doing unnecessary things that put others at risk at no benefit to them and only benefit to me. Taking your kid into a commercial aircraft's cockpit is unnecessary, selfish, and puts me at risk.
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As for whether you are going to let me or not, the reality is that I dictate them by funding candidates who pass laws that will strip you of your liberty if you continue your behaviors. You've no choice; I've won. Your funding of the anarchist party hasn't gotten you anywhere yet, nor is it likely to in the future.
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Are you comparing Iraq to the US?
This forum in FT is composed of a majority that sees no need to even slightly impede those who would takeover cockpits if it infringes on the rights of those who would not. Indeed, some contributors to this forum have made the argument they would have allowed the 9/11 hijackers, despite their backgrounds, to board the planes.
So if the rough consensus on this forum were to become the philosophy of a significant minority of the US, which has many immigrants who sympathize with the 9/11 hijackers, and still allows many immigrants who generally think ill of the US, and then tend to vote for candidates who think like most people in this forum, then yes indeed I can imagine a comparison being made to Iraq. Or at least Lebanon. The former majority of Lebanon never saw it coming, and they were vastly more worldly than the average American.
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I'd rather the kids be interested in commercial aviation than, say, drugs or car theft. Kids in the flight deck don't concern me, as long as they're supervised by an alert, not-drunk, and sane captain (i.e. won't let the kid sit in the copilot's chair) and the kids don't touch flight controls. There are usually two pilots up there (captain and first officer) and sometimes 3 or 4, and the plane's running on autopilot once it reaches cruising altitude until the descent for landing. Frankly, other than the 1/100 million chance that a terrorist is on board ready to hijack the plane, a cockpit door that opens and closes once or twice isn't really a matter of grave concern.
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I'm confused now. My first impression was thinking that statement reaked of arrogance and grandiosity, but now I can see it was ME who was in the wrong. I'll be sure to do whatever is necessary to make sure you feel as "safe" as possible, should we ever be on the same flight and cabin. The rest of you should follow suit and make sure to cater to the paranoid and delusional fears of a small percentage of the frequent flier community. May I suggest some anti-anxiety meds? I've known a few people with similar issues and medication worked wonders.
Just to be blunt: If you're so scared and/or offended by the behavior of others then don't fly. The real selfishness is expecting others around you to change their behaviors for YOUR comfort. Sheesh, I'd hate to be your neighbor. You sound like the type who would call the cops every time someone has company or the stereo is barely audible.
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I see no point in continuing to participate in this thread. Anyone who reads through it will easily discern the merits in both our arguments, so a very good day to you.


