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TSASuper Apr 1, 2008 11:45 am

hmmm. What will be my music selection for the checkpoint? Kenny G? Zamfir? How about the best of Yoko Ono?

LessO2 Apr 1, 2008 12:06 pm


Originally Posted by TSASuper (Post 9501490)
How about the best of Yoko Ono?

I'm sure The Supreme Court would have no problem hearing that case, and ruling it unconstitutional on the grounds of cruel and unusual punishment.

Global_Hi_Flyer Apr 1, 2008 12:31 pm


Originally Posted by txrus (Post 9500455)
Although the TSA has designed the new checkpoint, it will not pay for airports to adopt the lights, soundtracks, counters and other features not used to screen passengers. "If it achieves its objectives, we'll market it, and the airports and airlines will pay," Hawley said.

The TSA will pay for new security equipment such as screener headsets and possibly bin-return machines.

................
So, my guess is that most travelers will never get the full 'experience'.

Wrong, Comrade!

TSA will force the airports and airlines to pay by using the same technique that they use on RealID.... they'll decertify the airport or force SSSS on everyone traveling through it until the airport and airline cry "Uncle".

law dawg Apr 1, 2008 2:58 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 9501145)
So what?



Why, exactly? :confused:

Because nothing on the planet involving human behavior is 100%.

IslandBased Apr 1, 2008 3:31 pm


Originally Posted by TSASuper (Post 9501490)
hmmm. What will be my music selection for the checkpoint? Kenny G? Zamfir? How about the best of Yoko Ono?

RIAA will have another target, TSA music distribution....

Spiff Apr 1, 2008 3:37 pm


Originally Posted by law dawg (Post 9502557)
Because nothing on the planet involving human behavior is 100%.

I agree - now, what part of my proposal is not a valid goal?

Spiff Apr 1, 2008 3:40 pm


Originally Posted by TSASuper (Post 9501490)
hmmm. What will be my music selection for the checkpoint? Kenny G? Zamfir? How about the best of Yoko Ono?

I usually listen to NWH (video) lyrics before and after my delightful encounters with "security" screening.

cj001f Apr 1, 2008 3:52 pm


Originally Posted by Cee (Post 9492435)
Burn some candles, maybe have the TSO's offer massages...
Oooh...maybe they will allow me to sip on a good glass of wine too!


This sounds like Scientology!

Spiff Apr 1, 2008 3:59 pm


Originally Posted by cj001f (Post 9502906)
This sounds like Scientology!

More like scatology!

SchmeckFlyer Apr 1, 2008 3:59 pm

I'm not fan of the TSA, and find most security fairly pointless, but... Concerns about radiation from the new scanner are unfounded, and as such is an invalid reason to refuse use. People should be much more concerned with issues of privacy IMHO.

The radiation dosage is only enough to penetrate clothing, but not skin. Basically, standing next to a microwave, watching a movie on an old cathrode-ray tube, or taking a long-haul flight will result in a larger dosage of radiation. I assume most people would not avoid these activities out of concern for radiation exposure.

A more apt comparison would be a medical x-ray or CT-scan, which results in a rather large dosage of radiation. An x-ray goes clear through bone, so you can imagine how much higher the radiation does is comparatively. Both technologies have been used for decades without any clear evidence that they cause a siginifigant increase in rates of cancer with normal use.

Michelle2385 Apr 1, 2008 4:26 pm


Originally Posted by SchmeckFlyer (Post 9502957)
People should be much more concerned with issues of privacy IMHO..

I absolutely agree



Originally Posted by SchmeckFlyer (Post 9502957)
The radiation dosage is only enough to penetrate clothing, but not skin.

Thus, it will fail to detect any explosives concealed in a body cavity, or which have been surgically implanted. This expensive technology, which will surely be abused by lecherous screeners, can be easily defeated by a resourceful terrorist. It will simply be Security Theater, Act II.

law dawg Apr 1, 2008 4:29 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 9502810)
I agree - now, what part of my proposal is not a valid goal?

"Nearly false-positive free. Even a 1% false positive rate is grossly unacceptable."

To satisfy this requirement would require a 100% success rate.

ITravelThereforeIam Apr 1, 2008 4:50 pm

this is appalling. I travel WITH an insulin pump that does not cause the metal detector to beep, unless it is sensitive enough for batteries (if that is possible...I think I just get a random beep cuz I have a guilty/surly look about me)

Will the remote viewer See the pump attached to me and will this cause me to be pulled out of line for closer inspection?? Now THAT is an invasion of my privacy, if looking at my necked, faceless body wasn't enough. Will the remote viewer punch a button to identify me to the TSA or will he come running out pointing at me?

"They" (pump manufacturer) tell us to keep the pump OUT of the room when we get XRays, CT scans, MRIs etc. and recommend NOT sending it through the xray scanner at the airport.

Instead of bios of the TSA, I would like to see THEIR full body scans....not really, but show me yours and I will show you mine.

so is there a proper "conscientious objector" phrase we can use when faced with this? :rolleyes:

ITTIA

Spiff Apr 1, 2008 8:35 pm


Originally Posted by law dawg (Post 9503191)
"Nearly false-positive free. Even a 1% false positive rate is grossly unacceptable."

To satisfy this requirement would require a 100% success rate.

No, merely a false-positive rate where many fewer people than 1 in 100 are needlessly harassed.

bocastephen Apr 1, 2008 8:42 pm


Originally Posted by SchmeckFlyer (Post 9502957)
I'm not fan of the TSA, and find most security fairly pointless, but... Concerns about radiation from the new scanner are unfounded, and as such is an invalid reason to refuse use. People should be much more concerned with issues of privacy IMHO. ...

Where did you get this data or scientific opinion?


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