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Spiff Mar 31, 2008 4:41 pm


Originally Posted by law dawg (Post 9496678)
Behavior detection.

Behavior detection should be:
  • 100% transparent to passengers. In other words, don't talk to me without a really good reason for doing so.
  • Nearly false-positive free. Even a 1% false positive rate is grossly unacceptable.
  • Completely free of any prejudice
  • Come out of the existing security budget. No additional funds should be allocated for behavior detection; instead stupidity should be trimmed from the existing budget (though I doubt Idiot Boy Hawley knows anything about budgeting)

I do not think the TSA can accomplish the above and I don't care if they are the only ones stepping up to the plate. If it can't be done correctly, it shouldn't be done at all.

oneofthosepeopleyouloveto hate Mar 31, 2008 4:45 pm

I'm all for it if it means getting rid of the 'yellers'!

I had to work on a lane with a 'yeller' today -- you know, the guy who repeatedly shouts "Keep your boarding passes out! All shoes and coats must come off! Laptops outta the bag!" Over and over and OVER! About drove me nucking futz! :mad:

law dawg Mar 31, 2008 5:05 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 9496761)
They are not doing behavior detection - they are combining a short intro class with guessing, silly questions and prejudice.

We need to get the rest of their house in order before we start looking at fancy extras - the meat and potatoes need to be fixed, like better checked and carry-on baggage scanning with on-the-fly liquid scanning, non-invasive full body scanning with chemical trace analysis, cargo screening, proper staffing levels, and a better attitude.

Get the A, B, Cs fixed before you start looking for X,Y,Zs to play with.

I agree with this 100%.

But I still want someone out there looking for more than the weapon. Lots of things are weapons, but they all need a wielder. Be looking for him.

red456 Mar 31, 2008 5:24 pm


Originally Posted by law dawg (Post 9497053)
I agree with this 100%.

But I still want someone out there looking for more than the weapon. Lots of things are weapons, but they all need a wielder. Be looking for him.

I agree with what you say law dawg, and I don't often do that.

But I don't think the airport is the place to be looking.....the looking needs to start long before the person gets to the airport.

~

On another topic, can anybody tell me why the media has not picked up on all the anti-TSA sentiment that has appeared on the blog? Is it because the media, too, is afraid to be seen as "soft on terror" or because lots of pressure is being put on them to not report the growing displeasure with the TSA and their tactics?

It astounds me that I've not seen anything in the press since the inception of the blog.

mkt Mar 31, 2008 5:28 pm


Originally Posted by intheaircop (Post 9496436)
http://www.tsa.gov/evolution/innovation.shtm

The new uniform is cool looking. Now all they have to do is give then guns.

My stomach literally just turned and is now churning acid after clicking that link.

I think I'll throw up now.

sbm12 Mar 31, 2008 5:45 pm


Originally Posted by red456 (Post 9497147)
On another topic, can anybody tell me why the media has not picked up on all the anti-TSA sentiment that has appeared on the blog? Is it because the media, too, is afraid to be seen as "soft on terror" or because lots of pressure is being put on them to not report the growing displeasure with the TSA and their tactics?

It astounds me that I've not seen anything in the press since the inception of the blog.

Correct. I mentioned it in the thread about a day of No ID flying as well. The media refuses to ask real questions or report real information any more. Look at how many news outlets are just using packaged reports from companies as their news stories every night. When the TSA hands them a gift wrapped press kit and story they will report it because it is easy and good for Amerika. When they have to start asking real questions and then get "SSI" for every answer the report isn't nearly as pretty nor easy to put together. So they don't bother.

Besides, there's probably a story about some other useless local something that they would rather deal with.

Global_Hi_Flyer Mar 31, 2008 5:48 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 9497236)
Correct. I mentioned it in the thread about a day of No ID flying as well. The media refuses to ask real questions or report real information any more. Look at how many news outlets are just using packaged reports from companies as their news stories every night. When the TSA hands them a gift wrapped press kit and story they will report it because it is easy and good for Amerika. When they have to start asking real questions and then get "SSI" for every answer the report isn't nearly as pretty nor easy to put together. So they don't bother.

Besides, there's probably a story about some other useless local something that they would rather deal with.

The media doesn't do real reporting any more. Around here, they've been running "happy talk" news stories about Clear..... Brill has probably gotten several $million in free positive publicity.

txrus Apr 1, 2008 8:55 am


Originally Posted by Andy1369 (Post 9496023)
The comments on the blog seem to echo our concerns... is this a proposal or will this actually be coming true? I can't imagine all our checkpoints would be suddenly transformed this year.

Glad you can't imagine it, because they probably won't. There was a 2nd article, on page 3 of yesterday's USA Today about the new 'experience' & included were these little, not very surprising, gems:

Although the TSA has designed the new checkpoint, it will not pay for airports to adopt the lights, soundtracks, counters and other features not used to screen passengers. "If it achieves its objectives, we'll market it, and the airports and airlines will pay," Hawley said.

The TSA will pay for new security equipment such as screener headsets and possibly bin-return machines.


Full link to the article:
http://www.usatoday.com/printedition...etsa31.art.htm

So, my guess is that most travelers will never get the full 'experience'.

NoClu Apr 1, 2008 9:27 am

"Full Experience"
 
That really would be the "full experience".:mad:

TSA rakes in and wastes money by the bucket full yet expects me to pull money out of my butt to pay for this crap.

eyecue Apr 1, 2008 9:57 am


Originally Posted by Andy1369 (Post 9496023)
The comments on the blog seem to echo our concerns... is this a proposal or will this actually be coming true? I can't imagine all our checkpoints would be suddenly transformed this year.

Also, the mural wall would block the checkpoint from public view, if I read that correctly.

I also hate this statement by Kip:


Smacks totally of thoughtcrime. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

I feel somewhat sickened. I usually try to support TSA, to see their side, but even this is going a bit too far.

Cee & other TSA'ers here - share your thoughts.

DEN is supposed to be transformed to this set up by May 23. MY thoughts are that it was concocted by someone that has no practical experience in real world screening. It is too much fluff and glamour for me. I personally dont want my BIO posted for everyone to see. The millimeter wave scanner reminds me of a microwave oven. The passenger screening evolution appears to be moving away from a manpower intensive process. The new xray machines are more automated, the bin returns are another example of this as is the WBI.

eyecue Apr 1, 2008 10:03 am


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 9496954)
Behavior detection should be:
  • 100% transparent to passengers. In other words, don't talk to me without a really good reason for doing so.
  • Nearly false-positive free. Even a 1% false positive rate is grossly unacceptable.
  • Completely free of any prejudice
  • Come out of the existing security budget. No additional funds should be allocated for behavior detection; instead stupidity should be trimmed from the existing budget (though I doubt Idiot Boy Hawley knows anything about budgeting)

I do not think the TSA can accomplish the above and I don't care if they are the only ones stepping up to the plate. If it can't be done correctly, it shouldn't be done at all.

You are talking about dealing with people. so your expectations are a bit lofty.

eyecue Apr 1, 2008 10:05 am


Originally Posted by mkt (Post 9497160)
My stomach literally just turned and is now churning acid after clicking that link.

I think I'll throw up now.

TSA wont ever have guns. There are too many regulations in place to over come.

flpab Apr 1, 2008 10:17 am

I work for the Federal goverment and I am so embarrassed. Kip Hawley must have a relative that is in the the mood enhancing business. I thought this was a April fools joke and that Kip forgot March had 31 days and put it out one day early.

Spiff Apr 1, 2008 10:40 am


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 9500891)
You are talking about dealing with people.

So what?


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 9500891)
so your expectations are a bit lofty.

Why, exactly? :confused:

FliesWay2Much Apr 1, 2008 10:53 am


Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer (Post 9497247)
The media doesn't do real reporting any more. Around here, they've been running "happy talk" news stories about Clear..... Brill has probably gotten several $million in free positive publicity.

You're right -- the incessant CLEAR ads on WTOP really play to the large egos that are plentiful here in DC: "Sign up for CLEAR and you'll be somebody."


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